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Post by sph »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #675
shipscode wrote: post #126

The take on 4chan on here is super intriguing. I always felt that the current social media/doomscroll/memesharing landscape which has become so common worldwide is indiscernable and in some ways worse than 4chan. It feels like 4chan left it's homepage and went worldwide sometime in the early 2010s when iPhone-style phone use became more commonplace. I remember that 4chan users had more honor than users on the interne…

4chan will always be superior than modern social media to me, for one very simple reason: all posts are anonymous and there is no voting/ranking. Each and every post must stand alone and be judged alone. You do not know if it was posted by someone you hate or adore. It doesn't get hidden or promoted based on what a bubble voted. You see the post and you must judge it alone.

Agreed. I would go so far as to say all the ills of modern social media are because of ranked platforms, such as upvote/downvote-based, or like-based. They turn into echo chambers, that promote witty one-liners over nuance, and any sort of controversial position is effectively censored.

That said, HN functions decently well, though in some ways it is even worse in the censoring the outliers.

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Post by sph »

HaZeust wrote: post #662
PixelForg wrote: post #593

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My main problem with 4chan is how they talk, like the language they use. They really don't care about anyone's feelings and show a lack of empathy. Unfortunately this has been spreading to other social media as well. Imagine how good a place it could have been if people over there talked like people on HN.

HN is 4chan in many ways - the smart, civilized people just come here. Whereas the smart people that are willing to act disabled go there.

HN is older 4chan. On the imageboard, you have the constant feeling you are arguing against 12 year olds.

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Post by sph »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #540
shipscode wrote: post #126

The take on 4chan on here is super intriguing. I always felt that the current social media/doomscroll/memesharing landscape which has become so common worldwide is indiscernable and in some ways worse than 4chan. It feels like 4chan left it's homepage and went worldwide sometime in the early 2010s when iPhone-style phone use became more commonplace. I remember that 4chan users had more honor than users on the interne…

Multiple white supremacist mass shooter have been 4chan users and they cheered on the Buffalo shooter who was live updating during his murder spree: https://www.thetrace.org/newsletter/4chan-moderation-buffalo... The christchurch shooter was a 4chan regular https://theconversation.com/christchurch-terrorist-discussed... The whole "boogaloo" white nationalist/supremacist movement started on 4chan: https://www.splcente…

How many of these used Facebook, Twitter or Reddit? They are not mentioned in mainstream media because they are popular, but I assure you there are a lot of deranged people that never even posted on 4chan and just stuck to the “good” ones.

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Post by imtringued »

hoseja wrote: post #690
emmelaich wrote: post #621

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There's a related, more polite version of "are you retarded" which is not uncommon even here on HN. It is "I'm confused" . I don't know whether it's a phrase that I'm over analysing, but it always comes across as disingenuous to me. The responder is never actually confused, they have a question that they should just ask.

The poster is likely confused at how anybody can be so r-slurred.

There is no better way to destroy the ability to communicate than by assuming there is evil lurking around every corner and all you have to do is uncover it!

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Post by sph »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #85
idiotsecant wrote: post #13

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Like it or not, 4chan was a major hub of Internet culture. Especially early on some of the best stuff on the internet happened on 4chan (and a good chunk of the worst, of course)

Many of the popular internet terms start on 4chan, and then move to reddit and the rest of the internet, and then eventually mainstream news, and 65 year olds mouths. This process takes about 3-5 years.

Looking forward to grandparents sharing wojak memes on Facebook

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Post by Arch-TK »

mkl wrote: post #586
Arch-TK wrote: post #545

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Key word: "basically" Read section 2.4 of the PDF you linked for a bit of additional information on this "bsaically". GhostScript is a postscript interpreter which can handle PDF files by applying the relatively simple transformations described in that section of the PDF. Whether they embedded the ghostscript exploit within the PDF, or didn't, it's not particularly important for making my point.

That seems like saying "Python is basically a subset of C; just run the simple transformations Cython implements". PDF can be transformed into something a PostScript interpreter can understand in the same way Python can be transformed into something GCC can understand. That is not what "subset" means.

... did you read the bit of the PDF I referenced?

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Post by tokai »

FiniteField wrote: post #555
tokai wrote: post #544

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Should be noted that they have a history of trying to co-opt neutral terms and symbols. Like the frog and the ok gesture.

Pepe the frog became associated with the online far right because it was a commonly used memetic avatar in general 4chan culture, and became intertwined with the space's shift to the political right in a fairly organic way. The association was boosted by (IIRC) the 2016 Clinton campaign's assertion that it was a far-right symbol, which was obviously embraced by those people as a sort of irreverent statement. Likewise…

>actually existing connection between the far right and the "ok" gesture but it really came about as an association that was imposed by the media and subsequently embraced by that community

There wasn't any connection. You are running things in reverse. There was an explicit concerted effort to 'take it over'. With celebrations when it succeeded as the media to the bait.

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Post by rapidaneurism »

emmelaich wrote: post #621
ryandrake wrote: post #560

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Speaking of the meta-realm, I've always wondered how messages in forum flamewars always seemed to gravitate toward a very specific pattern: You see this pattern all over the Internet. For example, from that bodybuilding.com thread: Are you retarded? [personal insult] Maybe you should look at a calander, I didn't double count sunday, my two weeks started and ended on sunday, exactly 14 days. [the point] What don't you…

There's a related, more polite version of "are you retarded" which is not uncommon even here on HN. It is "I'm confused" . I don't know whether it's a phrase that I'm over analysing, but it always comes across as disingenuous to me. The responder is never actually confused, they have a question that they should just ask.

Haha, I do the I'm confused, but that is:

1 me being polite and not calling you an idiot.

2 me hedging my bets in case I am the idiot.

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Post by prohobo »

brigandish wrote: post #660
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #307

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> It actually used to be slightly left leaning or at least libertarian or anarchist, but over the years pol in particular has been known to be hard right wing. If your bar doesn't kick out nazis, your bar becomes the nazi hangout. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

That's not what the paradox of tolerance says, nor is it relevant. Popper gave two explicit standards for working out who is intolerant : - they shun debate ("begin by denouncing all argument", "forbid their followers to listen to rational argument") - they use violence instead ("answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols") I, for one, prefer having peaceful Nazis to the other sort, and to - as Popper puts…

ie. if you're shunning debate and deplatforming people based on ideological disputes, you're also a nazi.

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Post by voidUpdate »

pjc50 wrote: post #222
voidUpdate wrote: post #212

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Genuine question that I haven't found a good solution to yet, if I want to just go to any old computer and ssh into my server, do I have to carry around a USB stick with the ssh key on or something? because I sure as hell wont be able to just remember it

The preferred solution would be something like a Yubikey. However: > just go to any old computer and ssh into my server You've typed your password into a computer you don't control. Now it's gone. Same for plugging in the USB stick. The Yubikey approach mitigates that. Assuming you want to do this, the best practice you can achieve is just making the password long.

I mean, the password to the only ssh thing accessible from outside is 17 characters, and root is not ssh-able, only my user with a custom username
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