It is not only copyright that is problematic. It generates Franco when asked about the best Spanish leader in the 20th century. https://chatgpt.com/share/67efebf4-3b14-8011-8c11-8f806c7ff6...
What the hell.
An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're conflating trademark with copyright. Regardless, it's not just copyright laws that are at issue here. This is reproducing human likenesses - like Harrison Ford's - and integrating them into new works. So if I want to make an ad for a soap company, and I get an AI to reproduce a likeness of Harrison Ford, does that mean I can use that likeness in my soap commercials without paying him? I can imagine any court a…
> This is reproducing human likenesses - like Harrison Ford's - and integrating them into new works. The thing is though, there is also a human requesting that . The prompt was chosen specifically to get that result on purpose. The corporate systems are trying to prevent this, but if you use any of the local models, you don't even have to be coy. Ask it for "photo of Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones" and what do you ex…
No, I think that's unfair. I, as a user, could very reasonably want a parody or knock-off of Indiana Jones. I could want the spelunky protagonist. It's hard to argue that certain prompts the author put into this could be read any other way. But why does Nintendo get a monopoly on plumbers with red hats?
The way AI is coded and trained pushes it constantly towards a bland-predictable mean, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way.
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#703Is comprehending the plot of a movie theft if I can summarize it afterwards? What if I am able to hum a song pretty well after listening to it twenty times? Now, what if I get the highest fidelity speakers and the highest fidelity microphone I can and play that song in my home. Then I use a deep learned denoiser to clean the signal and isolate the song’s true audio. Is this theft? The answer does not matter. The geni…
Nobody cares about personal use. That's why we have concepts like fair use. It's when you turn around and try to make a business out of it.
You want to generate photos of copyrighted characters? Go for it. But OpenAI is making money off of that and that's the issue.
It seems like they made an effort to stop it, but their product is designed in such a way that doing so effectively is a sisyphean task.
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#704I don't condone or endorse breaking any laws. That said, trademark laws like life of the author + 95 years are absolutely absurd. The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. The reasoning being that if you don't allow people to exclude 3rd party copying, then the primary party will assumedly not receive compensation for t…
Trademark isn't copyright, those are two different things. Trademarks can be renewed roughly every 10 years [1] until the end of time and are about protecting a brand. Now copyright law lasts for "author plus 70 years. For anonymous works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, the copyright term is 95 years from the year of first publication or 120 years from creation, whichever comes first." [2]
Is copyright too long? Yes. Is it only that long to protect large media companies? Yes. But I would argue that AI companies are pushing the limits of fair use if not violating fair use, which is used as a affirmative defense by the way meaning that AI companies have to go to court to argue what they are doing is okay. They don't just get to wave their hands and say everything is okay because what we're doing is fair use and we get to scrape the world's entire creative output for our own profit.
[1] https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/trademark-faqs#...
[2] https://www.copyright.gov/history/copyright-exhibit/lifecycl...
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#705What if gen ai tools were created without training on copyrighted images? I wonder what they would make then.
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#706Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here, I asked ChatGPT to generate an image using a pith helmet for you: https://sora.com/g/gen_01jqzmab6hfxxtrt3atd0jgpg7 You can just ask for whatever changes you want.
> You can just ask for whatever changes you want. Yes, as long as what you're asking for is Indiana Jones.
So ask for one without a bull whip. Archeologists don’t wield bull whips either.
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#707I don't condone or endorse breaking any laws. That said, trademark laws like life of the author + 95 years are absolutely absurd. The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. The reasoning being that if you don't allow people to exclude 3rd party copying, then the primary party will assumedly not receive compensation for t…
I'd go further and say 10 years from time of creation is probably sufficient.
If the work is popular it will make plenty of money in that time. If it isn't popular, it probably won't make much more money after that.
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#708What if gen ai tools were created without training on copyrighted images? I wonder what they would make then.
Art inspired by images that are out of copyright.
All modern art currently created by humans is already trained on copyrighted images. What seems to be missing is the innate human ability to copy someone else's homework but change it up a bit (c.f. "the hero's journey" that is so much of modern storytelling).
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#709I am not sure that I understand the problem here. Why does it matter how the image was generated?
This image generation is a tool like any other tool. If the image generator generates an image of Mickey Mouse or if I draw Mickey Mouse by hand in photoshop, I can't use it commercially either way.
So what exactly is new or different here?
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#710Idk, the models generating what are basically 1:1 copies of the training data from pretty generic descriptions feels like a severe case of overfitting to me. What use is a generational model that just regurgitates the input? I feel like the less advanced generations, maybe even because of their limitations in terms of size, were better at coming up with something that at least feels new. In the end, other than for co…
People like what they already know. When they prompt something and get a realistic looking Indiana Jones, they're probably happy about it. To me, this article is further proof that LLMs are a form of lossy storage. People attribute special quality to the loss (the image isn't wrong, it's just got different "features" that got inserted) but at this point there's not a lot distinguishing a seed+prompt file+model from a…
The year is 2030.
A new MCU movie is released, its 60 second trailer posted on Youtube, but I don't feel like watching the movie because I got bored after Endgame.
Youtube has very strict anti-scraping techniques now, so I use deep-scrapper to generate the whole trailer from the thumbnail and title.
I use deep-pirate to generate the whole 3 hour movie from the trailer.
I use deep-watcher to summarize the whole movie in a 60 second video.
I watch the video. It doesn't make any sense. I check the Youtube trailer. It's the same video.