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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by sebastiennight »

jstummbillig wrote: post #233
sebastiennight wrote: post #49

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I think it's fairer to compare it to the original GPT-4 which might the equivalent in term of "size" (though we don't have actual numbers for either). GPT-4: Input $30.00 / 1M tokens ; Output $60.00 / 1M tokens So 4.5 is 2.5x more expensive. I think they announced this as their last non-reasoning model, so it was maybe with the goal of stretching pre-training as far as they could, just to see what new capabilities wo…

Why would that be fairer? We can assume they did incorporate all learnings and optimizations they made post gpt-4 launch, no?

Not necessarily.

If this huge model has taken months to pre-train and was expected to be released before, say, o3-mini, you could definitely have some last-minute optimizations in o3-mini that were not considered at the time of building the architecture of gpt-4.5.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by interloxia »

mandevil wrote: post #361
crazygringo wrote: post #258

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> We don't really know what this is good for Oh come on. Think how long of a gap there was between the first microcomputer and VisiCalc. Or between the start of the internet and social networking. First of all, it's going to take us 10 years to figure out how to use LLM's to their full productive potential. And second of all, it's going to take us collectively a long time to also figure out how much accuracy is neces…

ChatGPT had its initial public release November 30th, 2022. That's 820 days to today. The Apple II was first sold June 10, 1977, and Visicalc was first sold October 17, 1979, which is 859 days. So we're right about the same distance in time- the exact equal duration will be April 7th of this year. Going back to the very first commercially available microcomputer, the Altair 8800 (which is not a great match, since tha…

From Wikipedia: When Lotus 1-2-3 was launched in 1983,..., VisiCalc sales declined so rapidly that the company was soon insolvent.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

infinet wrote: post #381
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #180

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Do you know of any university that host Deepseek?

> Do you know of any university that host Deepseek? https://chat.zju.edu.cn https://chat.sjtu.edu.cn https://chat.ecnu.edu.cn/html/ To list a few. There are of course many more in China. I won't be surprised if universities in other countries also self-hosting.

Where does it says that it is self hosted? And why it is exposed to public.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by sebastiennight »

tkgally wrote: post #276
tmaly wrote: post #73

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I would like to see a humor test. So far, I have not seen any model response that has made me laugh.

How does the following stand-up routine by Claude 3.7 Sonnet work for you? https://gally.net/temp/20250225claudestandup2.html

That was impressive. If it all came from just this short 4-line prompt, it's even more impressive.

All we're missing now is a text-to-video (or text+audio and then audio-to-video) that can convincingly follow the style instructions for emphasis and pausing. Or are we already there yet?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by malthaus »

chefandy wrote: post #204
igor47 wrote: post #177

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You're the one buying him the underwear. Don't index funds outperform managed investing? I think especially after accounting for fees, but possibly even after accounting that 50% of money managers are below average.

He earns his undies. My returns are almost always modestly above index fund returns after his fees, though like last quarter, he’s very upfront when they’re not. He has good advice for pulling back when things are uncertain. I’m happy to delegate that to him.

you would still be better off in the long run even just putting everything into an MSCI world unless you value being able to scream at a human if markets go down that highly

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by weinzierl »

"Starting today, ChatGPT Pro users will be able to select GPT‑4.5 in the model picker on web, mobile, and desktop. We will begin rolling out to Plus and Team users next week, then to Enterprise and Edu users the following week."

Thanks for being transparent about this. Nothing is more frustrating than being locked out for indeterminate time from the hot thing everyone talks about.

I hope the announcement is true without further unsaid qualifications, like availability outside the US.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by malthaus »

fragmede wrote: post #332
igor47 wrote: post #177

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You're the one buying him the underwear. Don't index funds outperform managed investing? I think especially after accounting for fees, but possibly even after accounting that 50% of money managers are below average.

Depends who's pitch deck you're reading. Warren Buffett didn't get rich waiting on index funds.

warren buffet got rich by outperforming early (threw his dice well) and then using that reputation to attract more capital and use his reputation to actually influence markets with his decisions / gain access to privileged information your local active fund manager doesn't

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by sebastiennight »

jcims wrote: post #343
rl3 wrote: post #335

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Maybe it's rose-colored glasses, but 3.5 was really the golden era for LLM comedy. More modern LLMs can't touch it. Just ask it to write you a film screenplay involving some hard-ass 80s/90s action star and someone totally unrelated and opposite of that. The ensuring unhinged magic is unparalleled.

I built a little AI assistant to read my calendar and send me a summary of my day every morning. I told it to roast me and be funny with it. 3.5 was *way* better than anything else at that.

Ah, I'd love to have that kind of daily recap... mind sharing some of the code (or even just the prompt?)

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by vivzkestrel »

simonw wrote: post #342

I got gpt-4.5-preview to summarize this discussion thread so far (at 324 comments): hn-summary.sh 43197872 -m gpt-4.5-preview Using this script: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes... Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/5e9f5e94ac8840f698c280293d399... It took 25797 input tokens and 1225 input tokens, for a total cost (calculated using https://tools.simonwillison.net/llm-prices…

you know what? it would be damn nice to do this to literally every post in HN and give people a summary so that they dont have to read 500 comments
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