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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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"Germany is a nation-state and always has been" Do you think the systematic repression of Polish people during the German Empire, which was seen as necessary to achieve the 19th century ideal of a nation-state, was appropriate? Because you make it sound like Germanisation was a good thing, as otherwise it wouldn't have been a nation-state. Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_of_Poles_during_... > With…

It was no more acceptable than any of the other things that happened in the 19th century. How Germany became a nation-state, which was generally by the unification of German polities (like Italy, or as happened in France many many centuries earlier), is quite irrelevant to its status today as one. Poland basically expelled its German population after WW2 for example. There are presumably people still alive today that…

> is quite irrelevant to its status today as one.

You are the one which talked about how Germany has always been a nation state, as if that were a good thing.

> Poland basically expelled its German population after WW2 for example. ...

> Poland is a nation-state

Umm, you should mention the additional role of the Allied powers and the Postsdam Agreement in the ethnic cleansing of Germans from post-war Poland, and how it was based on the belief that a homogeneous population would be be more stable. And you should mention how the nation-state could only exist because of the near extermination of the Jewish population.

Had that not happened, Poland would now be as much a nation-state as Belgium or Finland.

So far I am not liking the processes used to make nation states.

Let's see, you said Italy is a nation-state, right? I've visited the autonomous region of South Tyrol. I guess the native German speakers are a cultural minority that a nation-state can have, right?

> saying that Germans don't have the right to control their borders and maintain their country as their country

I think I've spotted the racism. Define German. Define "their borders." Is Austria German? Is South Tyrol German? Should they be in German borders?

Is the Danish minority of Southern Schleswig German?

Do Germans need to be Catholic? Or Protestant? Can Germans be Muslim? Can Germans be black? Can Somalian refugees be German? Can the grandchildren of Turkish guest workers be German?

As an American, I find it bizarre and bigoted to call native-born Germans "Ausländer" just because their parents didn't come from Germany. Is that the nation-state you're talking about?

To me that just seems like a continuation of 19th century racist nationalism.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> Do people in the US still use X? If yes, why? Are you seriously asking that question? If so, I suggest looking at the nov election results. The votes for Trump were for this (his relationship to Elon and intention of “having him make the government efficient” were well known in advance of the election).

It's not just about Trump though. I jumped ship the second Musk pushed the change to increase the weight of tweets made by a paying account. Also the first thing he did when he took over was cut the entire a11y team. Then he login-walled Twitter and broke the API. Reddit communities went crazy when the Reddit team paywalled their own API. There's an incredibly long list of reasons to ditch x beyond musk's political a…

No, I’m suggesting the political supporters of Trump/Elon are the reason people use X.

If you are one of them or want to see the mainstream US right-wing zeitgeist, X is where it’s at. That alone is a massive reason for people to keep the app and an account.

Otherwise I agree, all of its utility as a general platform is gone otherwise.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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There obviously are problems with freedom of speech in Europe. Everyone knows it.

The US ranks #55 in press freedom, all positions in the top 10 are EU countries.

You never said it explicitly but you are referencing the French Reporters sans frontières (RSF) ranking, which is a European organization which is obviously predisposed to rank European countries highly.

I find their ranking highly suspect because they put the Netherlands at number #4, one of the highest rankings, while in reality the press in the Netherlands is in a dire state: literally all newspapers of record are collectively owned by just two Belgian (not even Dutch) mega-corporations. Is this really one of the most free countries? It's like Rupert Murdoch and Michael Bloomberg together owned all newspapers in the US.

And the US is ranked suspiciously low, at #55, below a country like Belize. Belize! Look at what RSF itself writes about Belize:

> With no daily newspapers, the pool of media outlets is small, and of those considered mainstream, some are supportive of political parties, even when privately owned. Independent media are scarce and access to funding is limited. Most of the advertising funds that media publishers rely on come from the government and their distribution are often dependent on the party in power.

Am I supposed to take it seriously that this is better than the US? That Belizeans have access to a more free press than Americans do? It seems more plausible the ranking is bogus.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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>>> If their choices were unpopular, people would flock to alternatives. They don't. >What you are saying is actively happening right now. Oh. I am wrong. SO we don't need to enforce rules on free speech, People are able to choose who to interact with. >This is creating an extremely fragmented society, all creating their own bubble of what they want to see So we SHOULD enforce rules of free speech, because people don…

To be honest, I have no idea what opinion you are trying to form here. You are twisting and turning my words all over the place and I am unable to gather your thoughts into a coherent point. You seem to be trying to pin me down to an opinion, and Im not really sure why. Do I, a random person on the internet, matter to you that much that you need to clarify my exact opinion on stuff?

Sure, let me summarize.

Your position:

>Your position:

>… t and 'protect' their audience from it. That IMO is anti free speech, as the 'protect' part of the term is abiguous/subjective and depends on the beliefs/opinions of the gatekeepers.

Your position ignores the rights given to firms to run their business, and the choice of their speech via citizens united.

Firms have a right to do what they please, as long as it is legal.

You dont like what firms do.

You want to make them behave a certain way. You are asking the government to force them to do so.

This kills free speech.

——- The position that you set up, is inherently in contradiction to the norms of reality. I am a policy person and understand the trade offs here intimately, which is leading to me playing fast and loose, resulting in confusion.

And yes - you matter to me. Why shouldn’t you? You seem intelligent, or if not, you value looking intelligent.

It would be interesting to see how you resolve the contradiction that your position throws up.

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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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quite frankly, your argument is dishonest, whether intentionally or not. I do not trust anyone repeating online, and no one else should. Especially since its repeated verbatim every time it comes up, its clear that this is "the play" and propaganda. > I suggest looking at the nov election results. What should we be looking at exactly? How the curiously 100% flipped swing states voted? I agree, theres much to look at…

> No one knew Musk would be running amok dismantling government institutions like a rabid dog Trump approval ratings are at a high. His supporters are clearly happy with what’s going on. The question was quite simple, it was about why anyone would use X. There are at least 60 million people that are happy with what is going on and like to be on X, which is an echo chamber of what they like. Nothing about what I said…

This is all ignoring that we live in a world almost completely dominated by disinformation.

The media have clearly aligned themselves to not report on whats actually happening. Right wing supporters get a carefully curated "view" of whats going on. Left wing media pushes outrage over ever minuscule detail while purposefully obfuscating whats really going on.

> This is exactly the type of outcome Trump supporters were looking for.

Trump supporters or republicans? Trump supporters at this point are rabid lunatics who post nothing but "librul tears" memes on facebook. They have no connection to reality. Republicans are trapped in an algorithmic cage, where everything might not be ideal, but gosh darn it, its for the good of the country!

> If you want to interact with the right wing people or read what they are thinking, that’s effectively what X is for right now.

I dont know how a rational, technologically inclined, person can scroll through X and not see that its 60% bots and propaganda. X is not reality, it is Elon's personal propaganda machine.

> this constant hand-wringing of “nobody supports this, I don’t understand, crisis crisis crisis” is unproductive and ignorant of the reality of the political landscape in the US right now.

What is the political reality of the US right now? You're conflating the peoples' response to the information they're getting to the actual reality: The US government is being destroyed by a hostile group of actors, with most likely criminal motives.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Do people in the US still use X? If yes, why? What keeps you on the platform (so the owner is a tiny step closer to destroying your own country)?

its the only social media platform that isn't image and video heavy, can consistently have non-bot and non-fake and non-clickbait material of substance (if you curate who you you follow well), provides awesome filtering options out of the box for stuff like keywords (i literally had to make a browser extension to filter reddit crap out better), and has a lot of interesting people posting entertaining non-image stuff…

> i think elon is a deeply problematic person not especially more so than a million other business leaders and billionaires, his bullshit is just a lot more visible

I don't disagree with you. But the big problem -- and the reason why people like me are so upset -- is that Elon is now in a much more powerful position than any of those other business leaders, a position in which he is directly impacting the lives of Americans whether they use his products or not. That's quite different than Bezos, Zuck, and all the rest. If he had stayed out of politics I wouldn't have much issue (I can choose not to use X, drive a Tesla, etc.)

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money

I’m reminded of this line from Stewart Lee, when talking about the disillusioned British working class voting for radical political parties/causes: “A protest vote for UKIP is like shitting your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, then realising you now have to sleep in a shitted bed.”

Yes, but that's talking about radical political causes.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant Are the people with these views not also entitled to free speech and equal rights to express themselves the same as everybody else?

This is the tricky line, isn't it? Regardless of whether someone is entitled to free speech, is a private company bound to the constitutional protection? My understanding has always been that its specifically the government that can't censor me, a private company or citizen can. The NY Times isn't required to write an article I submit to them for example, that's no different than Twitter deciding not to keep a post a…

> The NY Times isn't required to write an article I submit to them for example, that's no different than Twitter deciding not to keep a post a write

I generally agree with your point about private companies and the 1A.

However, the NYT and Twitter/X are fundamentally different in that the NYT is not a user platform but rather a media company who decides what it wants to publish--meaning that is it's stated goal. Twitter/X stated goal is to provide a platform for users to publish whatever they want to say. Now, Twitter/X can have a policy saying "here's a platform where you can say whatever you want except for X, Y and Z" and that's fine. Just like HN has policies. As long as it's clear and transparent as to what they are allowing or disallowing, then users are informed enough to know what they're going to get when they log on to X. Just like I know what I'm going to get if I visit Fox News.

Prior to Elon, Twitter's policies were stricter and so there was a lot less "hate speech" (for lack of a better term). Those guardrails are gone, since for one Elon fired the whole moderation team, and also because of Elon's own immature posts setting the example, it's devolved into a reddit-style cesspool so I decided not to go there anymore.

Banning links to Signal would be no big deal if Elon hadn't loudly proclaimed himself as the "defender of free speech" and demonized the "censorship" of Twitter.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money

I saw your comment and saw it getting downvoted or flagged but it is useful to have a discussion so that others similarly inclined can potentially learn something that they obviously don't already understand. I reproduce that comment here in case it somehow disappears. >i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money If you're concerned about t…

> The Inspectors General and their OIG employees are the federal employees with the mandate to identify waste, fraud, and abuse in every federal program regardless of size.

There are more than 1 million 150-159 year old Americans that receive social security and America is funding trans comic books for children in Peru. Do you think the OIG was doing a good job?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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> Security researchers at Mysk first noticed the issue on Sunday night, Feb. 16. They reached out to me via DM and we were able to confirm the various different ways (DM, post, profile bio, etc.) that X was blocking “Signal.me” links. From the article, no they can't.

They're unlocked now with a spam warning added. Occam's razor wins again.

https://x.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/1891554583756845526

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