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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by iszomer »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #677
svnt wrote: post #352

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I deleted my LinkedIn several years ago. I can only recommend it if you are independently wealthy, want to become an ascetic, or more broadly, your goal is to never be hired or really even evaluated for much in the business world again. None of the rest of the social networks serve as a sanity check on your resume/application/meeting.

I've round linkedin extremely useful recently for finding a new job after being made redundant. It's where the recruiters are, and where the jobs are posted, at least here in the UK. I even paid for a couple of months enhanced membership, or whatever they call it, as a career investment. I'd say its worth the money over the short-term. As for maintaining an up-to-date profile, I think its worth dialing-down the acces…

I deactivated my account after finding a job and will reactivate when I am on a new search.

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Post by yostrovs »

BadCookie wrote: post #563
kbelder wrote: post #541

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One of the very best things you could do for your cause is to tone down your rhetoric. You're driving far more people away than you're convincing of anything. There's no shortage of things to criticize Trump for that are clear and hard to argue against. What you're saying is only fuel for the extreme to become more extreme.

I think yostrovs was talking about Musk, not Trump. And calling someone who did two Nazi salutes in front of a crowd “Hitler” is maybe not as unfair as you are making it out to be. My guess is that Musk did it for outrage purposes rather than because he is an actual Nazi, but it’s hard to know really. Video in case you somehow have not seen the incident I am referring to: https://youtu.be/gDkuwRx14hQ

Why would the video you shared take out the words "from my heart" that were said just before the gesture? Would that maybe change the meaning of the gesture? This is the problem with MSM that makes you actually think you're dealing with Hitler.

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Post by cyberlurker »

BadCookie wrote: post #563
kbelder wrote: post #541

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One of the very best things you could do for your cause is to tone down your rhetoric. You're driving far more people away than you're convincing of anything. There's no shortage of things to criticize Trump for that are clear and hard to argue against. What you're saying is only fuel for the extreme to become more extreme.

I think yostrovs was talking about Musk, not Trump. And calling someone who did two Nazi salutes in front of a crowd “Hitler” is maybe not as unfair as you are making it out to be. My guess is that Musk did it for outrage purposes rather than because he is an actual Nazi, but it’s hard to know really. Video in case you somehow have not seen the incident I am referring to: https://youtu.be/gDkuwRx14hQ

If the live audience was outraged by his Nazi salutes, I wouldn’t care so much.

The fact he did two Nazi salutes to an applauding audience with smiles is deeply concerning.

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Post by matwood »

xvector wrote: post #568
deathanatos wrote: post #566

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> Subreddits like r/pics are packed full of thinly veiled death threats towards the sitting president or Elon Musk. This is just blatant misinformation. Since r/pics is the only example you've chosen to give us, let's evaluate it: I've scrolled through the current first 50 posts in Hot, and 0 of them are death threats, thinly veiled or otherwise. "Packed full", indeed. And here, so it isn't simply my word vs. his; th…

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I think it's ironic that people are up in arms about random posts on Reddit while many of those same people cheer at pardoning those who attacked the capital and brought actual violence on police officers. Will people letting off steam on Reddit lead to a violent insurrection?

The temperature is so high right now, and it's only continuing to rise because there seems to be zero accountability for what's happening whether it's pardons or Musk running unfettered through government accounts. Unfortunately, it's natural for people to keep escalating when they see no other avenue.

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Post by pooper »

prox wrote: post #698
0xEF wrote: post #628

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You nailed it. For ages, we've known that we can be hacked by anything that solicits an emotional response from us. People who set their sights on abusing that power have only gotten better at doing it, so much so that often the victim of the manipulation has no idea they've been manipulated. There is still an alarming number of people out there who do not seem aware that this is even possible, let alone actively bei…

That’s also an alarm bell right there. If the answer to the question “Does this article/headline want me to feel anything?” is Yes, than it’s emotional bait. If its “boring” than it’s probably more neutral. Emotional reactivity is the psychological name I believe. High reactivity means more anxiety, stress and sometimes sign of a disorder.

Here is one example of what I think is boring. Is this what you had in mind?

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Bank of England Cuts Interest Rates as British Economy Weakens

The central bank cut rates for the third time in about six months as it said growth had been weaker than expected.

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Post by wonderwonder »

majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

"It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They are getting high doses of emotional content, they are made to feel like victims, facts does not matter at all. Political beliefs are intermingled with religious beliefs."

This is fascinating to watch in the current environment. People are decent in real life for the most part but on social media its as if all manner of restraint are removed. Post anything disagreeing with the overall narrative of the site and its like a scene out of World War Z. Just attacked by crowds of people actively calling for your death. Never seen anything like it.

On X they will insult your intelligence or pull the "we tried to tell you and this is what you get you [insert explicative here]. On Reddit they will quite openly hope someone murders you.

Social media has truly insidious powers and I don't think people realize they are under its spell until its too late.

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Post by clydethefrog »

majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

Good list, especially the last one.

See also social acceleration [1], from German sociologist and political scientist Hartmut Rosa. Rosa argues that this current culture leads to a crisis in democratic self-determination, as the current quick demands of modern society often conflict with the slower, more reflective processes that democracy requires. The pressure to respond quickly can make democratic governance appear dysfunctional, as governments find it increasingly difficult to react to the complex issues of today within tight time constraints.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_acceleration

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Post by matwood »

arkey wrote: post #654
TFYS wrote: post #638

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> deported a few thousand illegal immigrants who are criminals and rapists As well as thousands who are normal hard-working people. > taken back Panama Canal from Chinese dictatorship By using threats of force like a dictatorship. > attempted to shrink the size of the government and American tax burden In illegal, non-democratic ways. > put more tariffs on Chinese dictatorship As well as more democratic allies. > foc…

> As well as thousands who are normal hard-working people. Do you have sources for that? Honestly trying to find out. Thanks!

The only way to round up the numbers Trump wants to round up at this point is by going to job sites. You may think differently, but I don't think criminal gang members are typically working construction, in meat packing plants or picking crops. They are busy doing...you know, criminal things.

Also, Biden has already addressed the numbers coming across the border [1]. So again, the people who are left are mostly hard working people trying to make a life.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

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Post by wonderwonder »

tuukkah wrote: post #681
user3939382 wrote: post #672

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> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. All printed papers in the US that I’m aware of serve corporate political interests so I lost you there. Then you have magazines that are aligned with various think tanks and lobbyists. The truth isn’t somewhere in the middle of all this, it’s with totally independent journal…

It doesn't have to be printed in the US. The Guardian is backed by a non-profit and there's a US (digital) edition plus a printed weekly international edition.

The guardian openly states on their website that they are anti-trump. So going to posit they may be less that neutral.

From the banner on their home page:

"From Elon Musk to the Murdochs, billionaire owners control much of the information that reaches the public. Meanwhile, increasing numbers of bad actors are spreading disinformation that threatens democracy"

also

"After Trump remarked that “in this term, everybody wants to be my friend,” The Guardian blasted out a defiant fundraising email stating, “Trump, we don’t want to be your friend” and urging readers to contribute a year-end gift."

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