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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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I really hate how people are arguing that it should be banned because of the content being inappropriate in one way or another when the content you see is based on how you interact with the app. We don't all see the same stuff. So yeah China may have more educational content but that's probably just becuase the people there are interested in that stuff. When I travel to the mountains, I get more outdoorsy/hiking vide…

>This sort of issue shouldn't even be state or municipal issue, it should be a household one. And I guess you believe that every consumer product and service should be treated strictly as household issue. For absolutely everything - even the most dangerous, toxic and antisocial ones, I can find one good use case credible enough to ask other to behave themselves. And I'm no David Hahn.

No dude. Just for software.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

If that were the reason for this legislation, Meta (Instagram Reels) and Google (Youtube Shorts) should be very concerned. It’s the same content.

Content is similar, but the control is in the hands of US, so not the "enemy gov".

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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If TikTok is the only place you can speak and there aren’t equivalent services then it sounds like it needs to be broken up on the basis of being a monopoly. As there are other services and the only thing being targeted is foreign ownership by members of a country that blocks our services, then no, I don’t think it’s about censorship. This wasn’t even a ban on TikTok, bytedance could have sold to an American owner bu…

> This wasn’t even a ban on TikTok, bytedance could have sold to an American owner but have refused. So, you mean this wasn't even a ban, it was just robbery?

I legitimately believe that classifying this as robbery is a lot closer to the truth than classifying it as censorship.

Not that I’d fully agree with that vis a vis how international relations between China and the USA work, but it’s definitely a more accurate description

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#705

I really hate how people are arguing that it should be banned because of the content being inappropriate in one way or another when the content you see is based on how you interact with the app. We don't all see the same stuff. So yeah China may have more educational content but that's probably just becuase the people there are interested in that stuff. When I travel to the mountains, I get more outdoorsy/hiking vide…

I guess you're someone familiar with programming and algorithms begin this is HN, so you must be able to understand that it would be trivial for TikTok to serve different kinds of content to people based on their geographical location and other attributes?

They do. Like I know for a fact that I get different content in different cities. But it's algorithmic. I don't think anyone at TikTok is saying let's manipulate specific locations. They don't need to and it would be too risky and not worth the tech debt tbh. Besides, you can do it as a third party with bots.

So like whatever replaces it will get manipulated just the same. Facebook has had this problem for over a decade now and nobody's solved it. Let's just admit that national governments are stupid.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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> I think every country should develop their own social media. There is Mastodon already, which is federated. EU already set up their own servers.

It is federated and it has benefits but the UX is garbage for average people and the actual protocol isn't one that'll scale. You don't need an A+ protocol to get great if your product is good enough / dead simple to use but neither of those things apply to Mastodon, as much as I'd like them to.

I don't see how Mastodon's UX is worse than the one of Twitter, which is good enough, judging by the number of users.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Our official policy is to bankrupt our country by medaling in the affairs of everyone else, how could their “influence” possibly be any worse?

You don't see how subordinating a country to another's goals could be worse than policy you disagree with?

I don’t see how some nebulous speculation about the influence of ideas that could then potentially lead to a bad outcome is a relevant conversation when we’re actively perpetually destroying ourselves from within on a daily basis no.

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All social media is a fertile ground for propaganda and manipulation by bots. The only way forward is to ban politics in all social media.

You can't ban politics. Everything is politics.

If everything is politics then nothing is.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#709

I really hate how people are arguing that it should be banned because of the content being inappropriate in one way or another when the content you see is based on how you interact with the app. We don't all see the same stuff. So yeah China may have more educational content but that's probably just becuase the people there are interested in that stuff. When I travel to the mountains, I get more outdoorsy/hiking vide…

Yeah, is nothing to do with that, it's "reds under the beds"-level fear of China. It was fine when it was US companies...

For real. Fear based decision making. Yikes.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Too many elections are being influenced by the free exchange of ideas on TikTok -- best to shut it down if the U.S. corrupt government cannot control it. Who cares what the people think!?

It's not the free exchange of ideas if the CCP can put its thumb on the scale.

The CCP is a scourge on humanity, predominately in their own country; whereas the US establishment* is also a scourge, but its evils are off-shored. US and China also have powerful propaganda models that control information. Silencing opposition inside of the country is not the way to win a war -- educating people about it and letting them make up their own mind is the only way out of furthering a "censorship industrial complex".

1 - neoliberals, neoconservatives, fundamentalist zionists, other "factions" composing the majority of those who largely want the warfare/welfare state

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