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What we know about CEO shooting suspect
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
> melting pot Did you mean tipping point?
Yes, probably. But I don't think we're at an actual tipping point. I don't think we're about to see a breakdown or anything like that, soon, but we're certainly heading in that general direction. What is the euphemism I'm actually looking for? Knife edge? No.
Powder keg?
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#703Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case.
The basic premise, as I understand it, is that there is nothing illegal about coming to the wrong conclusion as a juror. I have also read that it can be contempt of court to try to convince jurors to intentionally come to a conclusion not based on the law and evidence. So what would happen if a single juror just remained steadfast that the defendant was innocent despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Can a ju…
When the jurors can't agree, for whatever reason, you get a hung jury.
A judge needs cause to remove a juror. This includes a juror refusing to deliberate. In the specific case you bring up, it would be hard to prove that the juror is refusing to deliberate (i.e. "not being forthright") compared to just differently interpreting the facts of the case or the law or disagreeing with how the law should be applied.
It is the purpose of voir dire to weed out jurors with a preexisting bias in the case. You don't want to remove jurors after the case has started, as you run the risk of running out of alternates (there are probably state specific laws on how to handle this without requiring a mistrial though).
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#704What's important is what we learned about society's appetite for political violence against the upper class. What isn't important is the actual actor.
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#705Earlier quoted context omitted.
>media really over-estimated this persons competence It is a bit of psychological blindness where we convince ourselves that random murders aren't as easy as they really are. The truth is that almost anyone -- including people with lots of security theater -- can be nullified by random people. This is quadruply true in the era of drones.
There's very little in America to stop a person who is willing to die (or spend life in prison) from killing others. Most normal people just have a healthy self preservation instinct, so aren't willing to accept those consequences.
Most normal people have a healthy aversion to killing. That’s what stops it, not fear of consequences.
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#706After seemingly acting so carefully right before and after the shooting I’m perplexed as to why he had so much evidence still on him (Gun/silencer, Fake ID, manifesto) during the arrest. One would think he would have discarded or destroyed those things as soon as possible after the incident.
Maybe he was suffering from a mental illness and so he simply wasn't thinking clearly and carefully from the beginning.
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#708The wealth gap in 2012 US is larger than it was in pre-revolution France. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/us-inco...
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I strongly disagree. A huge power gap is a huge problem.
A tiny group of people have an enormous amount of power over the rest of us. I still call that a big problem even if we have food and material goods.
>and the majority that do suffer addiction or mental illness.
This is also a problem, and a great example of something we could easily fix if power was not concentrated in the hands of a tiny few.
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#709Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure this is a fair comparison. Wouldn't this be true if we compare any pre-industrial society with any post-industrial society?
[1] has some actual numbers to answer that question, with e.g. [2] for modern US numbers (since [1] has only Europe). The wealth gap peaked in 1910, took a nose dive until the late 1960s (though much more pronounced in Europe than in the US) and is on the rise since then. The post-industrial US dipped as low as ~1300 or ~1650 Europe, but is now back to levels Europe only reached in 1750, well on track to repeating th…
From [2], why is there a huge drop globally following 1910?
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#710Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…
It seems that people are increasingly convinced that “in this country it is necessary, now and then, to put one health insurance exec to death in order to inspire the others to pay”.
That is a sign that people believe they can't obtain redress through widely available legal means.