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Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by Wytwwww »

KerrAvon wrote: post #462
Wytwwww wrote: post #198

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The only thing that Apple might find even remotely useful are Intel's fabs. The rest of the business would have to be sold ton someone else or closed down (which would never be approved by the government). Even then there is zero indication that Apple would ever want to do their own manufacturing.

The government desperately wants US fabs because the military requires tech and it's increasingly dangerous to rely on globalization when the globe is going nuts -- the rest of it doesn't really matter.

We're talking about Apple, though?

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by BoxOfRain »

johnisgood wrote: post #690
Lammy wrote: post #598

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Ubuntu came with Compiz by default in 2007: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/11/ubunt... “Ubuntu 7.10 is the first version of Ubuntu that ships with Compiz Fusion enabled by default on supported hardware. Compiz Fusion, which combines Compiz with certain components developed by the Beryl community, is a compositing window manager that adds a wide range of visual effects to Ubuntu's desktop environm…

I remember Beryl, those were fun times.

Different desktop but KDE still has the wobbly windows as an option, I enabled them out of nostalgia recently.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by ctvo »

csdreamer7 wrote: post #214
KETHERCORTEX wrote: post #164

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> If A-tel (Amd-inTEL) can not sell to the EU the merger will not happen. What the EU gonna do then? Stop buying computers? Perform rapid continental ARM transition for mythical amount of money?

> What the EU gonna do then? Seize or terminate their patents and copyrights. Issue arrest warrants for criminal evasion. Compulsory licensing of x86 to a European design firm immunized by EU law. > Perform rapid continental ARM transition Yes. Windows is on ARM. Apple is on ARM. AWS and Ampere make decent ARM servers. You have decent x86 user-space compatibility on ARM laptops. That is all users want. I doubt it wil…

> Seize or terminate their patents and copyrights. Issue arrest warrants for criminal evasion. Compulsory licensing of x86 to a European design firm immunized by EU law.

My eyes rolled so far back I hurt myself.

Please provide some examples of where the EU has been able to do a fraction of what you listed to large, US based firms in the past.

Looking at the future, if you want a trade war and an excuse for the new US administration to completely neglect NATO obligations this is a great start.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by Aromasin »

7speter wrote: post #437
Aromasin wrote: post #112

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Agreed. My career at Intel coincided with Pat's, although I jumped ship a little earlier. Admittedly this means I probably have a little bias, but based on my hundreds of conversations with Intel vets I do think his business strategy was the right decision. He came on board a company years behind on process, packaging, and architecture technology after years of mismanagement by a largely nontechnical staff, which fav…

I'm not in the industry but from what I gather, i agree with you 100%. Bloomberg published an article on the matter though, but it seems they are reporting that Gelsinger was pushed out by a frustrated board because of "slow progress." This is a real head scratcher to me, even as someone looking in: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-02/intel-ceo...

Gelsinger always said this was a 5-year plan, yet the board jettisons him at 4 just as IFS customers are starting to ramp up, the 18A node is close to readiness - the company's saving grace at this point - with Panther Lake on the horizon and Altera preparing for IPO in 2026 which should be a relatively good cash injection with PE investors already negotiating stakes. Maybe I just don't have the whole picture, but it seems poorly timed.

I hate the idea that the board might do this just as Intel's prospects start looking up after years of cost-cutting measures to bring the company back to profitability and take credit for a "miraculous turnaround" that was actually instigated 4 years prior by the same person they sacked. It's like an incoming political party coming in and within a couple of months of office taking credit for a good economy that they had no hand in creating.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by fransje26 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #554
MPSFounder wrote: post #499

I worked for 3 months for Intel. I can genuinely say that there is no saving that company. Recently, they are hiring many PhDs from various US universities (particularly Indians) to try to compensate (they offer generous stocks and are hiring like crazy right now). There are two major problems I saw: lack of genuine interest in fabs (most people are there for the Intel name and then leave or in the case of Indians, t…

A few years ago a CEO of Intel (not Gelsinger) said something like "our CPU architecture is so well-known every college student can work on it". A friend working at Intel at that time translated it to me: "we will hire cheap students to work on chips and we will let the expensive engineers leave". At least in his department the senior engineers left, they were replaced by fresh graduates. It did not work, that depart…

> A few years ago a CEO of Intel (not Gelsinger) said something like "our CPU architecture is so well-known every college student can work on it". A friend working at Intel at that time translated it to me: "we will hire cheap students to work on chips and we will let the expensive engineers leave"

Reminds me of the Boeing managers saying that they didn't need senior engineers because its products were mature..

A few blown doors and deadly crashes later, that didn't age well..

https://archive.is/H9eh9#selection-3935.0-3935.163

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by CodeArtisan »

menaerus wrote: post #206
orenlindsey wrote: post #173

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A lot of people on this thread are underestimating how much of a hold Intel has on the chips industry. In my experience, Intel is synonymous with computer chip for the average person. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you what AMD does differently, they'd just say they're a knockoff Intel. Technologically, both companies are neck and neck. But for the average person, it's not even close.

Last report I read it was ~80% (Intel) vs ~20% (AMD) for PC market. And ~75% (Intel) vs ~25% (AMD) for data center servers.

Steam hardware survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

Windows:

Intel: 64.23%

AMD: 35.71%

Linux:

Intel: 30.15%

AMD: 69.85%

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by mbar84 »

orenlindsey wrote: post #173
etempleton wrote: post #64

I feel like this is a mistake. Pat's strategy is aggressive but what the company needs. Intel's stock is jumping at this announcement, but I look at it as a bad signal for Intel 18a. If 18a was looking to be a smash hit then I don't think Pat gets retired. If 18a is a success then it is an even more short-sighted decision by the board. What this likely means is two-fold: 1. Intel 18a is being delayed further and/or t…

A lot of people on this thread are underestimating how much of a hold Intel has on the chips industry. In my experience, Intel is synonymous with computer chip for the average person. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you what AMD does differently, they'd just say they're a knockoff Intel. Technologically, both companies are neck and neck. But for the average person, it's not even close.

I doubt many people are making purchasing decisions based on Intel branding. Any kind of speed advantage has not been a dominant factor in the minds of most low information/brand influenceable consumers who are buying x86 machines. Everybody else looks at reviews and benchmarks where Intel has to show up with a good product and their branding doesn't get them much.

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Post by amaranth »

Lammy wrote: post #598
amaranth wrote: post #550

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GNOME 3 had a hardware accelerated compositor on release in 2011.

Ubuntu came with Compiz by default in 2007: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/11/ubunt... “Ubuntu 7.10 is the first version of Ubuntu that ships with Compiz Fusion enabled by default on supported hardware. Compiz Fusion, which combines Compiz with certain components developed by the Beryl community, is a compositing window manager that adds a wide range of visual effects to Ubuntu's desktop environm…

Yeah, I worked on that but I didn't think that would count since it was a distro, not a desktop environment. In that case Novell shipped compiz in 2006 so even earlier.

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Post by menaerus »

CodeArtisan wrote: post #706
menaerus wrote: post #206

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Last report I read it was ~80% (Intel) vs ~20% (AMD) for PC market. And ~75% (Intel) vs ~25% (AMD) for data center servers.

Steam hardware survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/ Windows: Intel: 64.23% AMD: 35.71% Linux: Intel: 30.15% AMD: 69.85%

Why do you think gaming community survey would be more relevant than Intel/AMD earning reports in which they unambiguously, for the most part, lay out the earnings per CPU type?
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