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Post by freefaler »

traceroute66 wrote: post #668
dmz73 wrote: post #562

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Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I'm very happy to only run stuff approved on Apple's app store... ESPECIALLY following their introduction of privacy labels for all apps so you know what shit the developer will try to collect from you without wasting your time downloading it. Also have you seen the amount of dodgy shit on the more open app stores ?

It's a reasonable choice to do so and you can do it now. The problem starts when Apple forbid it for people who want to install on their computer what they want.

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Post by htk »

TIPSIO wrote: post #93

These chips are incredible. Even my M1 MBP from 2020 still feels so ridiculously fast for everyday basic use and coding. Is an upgrade really worth it?

I have a MBP M1 16GB at home, and a MBP M3 128GB at work. They feel the same: very fast. When I benchmark things I can see the difference (or when fiddling with larger LLM models), other than that, the M1 is still great and feels faster and more enjoyable than any Windows machine I interact with.

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Post by duskwuff »

schaefer wrote: post #580
superb_dev wrote: post #551

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Apple also left a very convenient hole in their boot loader to allow running another OS. Linux works pretty well these days

* on M1 and M2 variants.

The bootloader supports third-party operating systems on M3/M4 as well. Linux support just isn't there yet.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by superb_dev »

schaefer wrote: post #580
superb_dev wrote: post #551

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Apple also left a very convenient hole in their boot loader to allow running another OS. Linux works pretty well these days

* on M1 and M2 variants.

Just to clarify, Asahi Linux is working on M3/M4 support. As far as I can tell nothing changed in the boot loader that makes this work more difficult, it just takes time to add the new hardware.

https://git.sudo.is/mirrors/AsahiLinux-docs/wiki/M3-Series-F...

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

jader201 wrote: post #483
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #371

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Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

The 2015 MacBook Pro is the Nokia 3310 of our generation.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by codazoda »

traceroute66 wrote: post #658
abrookewood wrote: post #644

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Their repair policy, from what I can see, is a thinly veiled attempt to get you to either pay for Apple Care or to upgrade. I got a quote to repair a colleague's MacBook Pro, less than 2 years old, which has apparent 'water damage' and which they want AUD $2,500 to repair! Of course that makes no sense, so we're buying a new one ...

> to get you to either pay for Apple Care The problem with many self-repair people is they effectively value their time at zero. I value my time realistically, i.e. above zero and above minimum wage. It is therefore a no brainer for me to buy AppleCare every ... single ..time. It means I can just drop it off and let someone else deal with messing around. I also know how much hassle it is. Like many techies, I spent p…

That is not why I didn’t buy Apple Care.

My hope is that the machine will work for a long while, like most of them do. In my case it’s a ~$1200 machine so I prefer to self-insure. I’m taking the chance that if it goes bad, I’ll pay to fix or replace it.

This makes sense, for me, when I do it on everything that I buy.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by kwanbix »

the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

Mx is such a incredible achievement by apple.

Sadly installing Linux is a no unless you use some budu.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

losvedir wrote: post #514
BrentOzar wrote: post #9

The M4 Max goes up to 128GB RAM, and "over half a terabyte per second of unified memory bandwidth" - LLM users rejoice.

I'm curious about getting one of these to run LLM models locally, but I don't understand the cost benefit very well. Even 128GB can't run, like, a state of the art Claude 3.5 or GPT 4o model right? Conversely, even 16GB can (I think?) run a smaller, quantized Llama model. What's the sweet spot for running a capable model locally (and likely future local-scale models)?

Claude 3.5 and GPT 4o are huge models. They don't run on consumer hardware.

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Post by flkiwi »

reaperducer wrote: post #616
flkiwi wrote: post #472

The weird thing about these Apple product videos in the last few years is that there are all these beautiful shots of Apple's campus with nobody there other than the presenter. It's a beautiful stage for these videos, but it's eerie and disconcerting, particularly given Apple's RTO approach.

I used to think the videos with all of the drone fly-bys was cool. But in the last year or so, I've started to feel the same as you. Where are all the people? It's starting to look like Apple spent a billion dollars building a technology ghost town. Surely the entire staff can't be out rock climbing, surfing, eating at trendy Asian-inspired restaurants at twilight, and having catered children's birthday parties in im…

Oh I think they're very well done and very pretty! But lately this discomfort has started to creep in, as you note. Like something you'd see in a WALL-E spinoff: everyone has left the planet already but Buy n Large is still putting out these glorious promo videos using stock footage. Or, like, post-AI apocalypse, all the humans are confined to storage bins, but the proto-AI marketing programs are still churning out content.
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