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Re: New iMac with M4

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sunshowers wrote: post #360
Wytwwww wrote: post #257

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> You can build PCs there are more powerful than that Mac, cheaper. And you can easily repair them Why would anyone buy a Porsche? You can buy an F-150 with a >1 ton payload capacity, fit 6 people in it and if you get the EV version it might be even faster than the base config Porsche. The PC will take up a lot of space, use a lot more power, be loud and be look ugly. Some people might care about these things even if…

To be honest it's the Mac that feels clunky, at least compared to Linux. Why does every app have its own updater? Why are the animations so painfully slow?

That's fair. People have different preferences. I personally don't even really care much for macOS these days..

> every app have its own updater

Well certainly not all due. But mainly because they are not part of the OS/distribution. And it's not like there arent any proprietary apps on Linux that have to be installed/updated independently.

Also you can use the App Store if you are so inclined. IMHO an awful experience but still better than the extremely laggy GUI app stores on Gnome/KDE.

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canucker2016 wrote: post #497
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Brought to you by AI and the EU. The DRAM makers must love AI, low end iPhones increase RAM 33% (6GB -> 8GB), low end iMacs go from 8GB to 16GB.

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Re: New iMac with M4

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Eric_WVGG wrote: post #392
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If you use your PC to only run a single application at any time then yes, 8GB might be usable. If you need to have an Electron app opened, a few browser tabs and XCode (let alone some less efficient IDE)? Your compute will grind to a halt...

Well yeah… like, that's why Electron apps are terrible, though, I bend over backward to avoid them.

Well... that doesn't really matter if you have to use Teams/Slack or whatever?

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brailsafe wrote: post #623
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Because as a customer you should probably buy a studio display and Mac mini if that's your use case.

There are a ton of older iMacs on the used market, and if you have one, it's a fair complaint that you can no longer re-purpose it for whatever else you like. Ideally if I got a mac mini I'd just hook it up to the screen I already have, rather than spending another $2k on the only other option the brand sells. Additionally, not having that option lets the manufacturer have control over how much value a product retain…

Just because the device is too slow for you does not make the device useless in totality. What are you going to ask for next? HDMI-in port on the iPad and MacBook so you can use it as a display when the internals are outdated?

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Post by audunw »

rootusrootus wrote: post #564
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"good reasons"? What would be those?

Cables are the obvious one, as someone else mentioned. But I think people forget how many accessories have been sold (e.g. FLIR cameras [0]) that were Lightning only. Switching the phone to USB-C renders those expensive accessories obsolete. [0] https://www.flir.com/products/flir-one-gen-3

Yup, exactly. I have a flir one, and I’ll have to keep my old lightning iPhone around just so I can use the flir camera when I need it. There are probably a bunch of such peripherals. The key difference between MacBooks and iPads where they did switch to USB-C early is that dongles are WAY less convenient of a workaround with a mobile peripheral.

I think the lifetime of the lightning connector has been very reasonable. If they switched much earlier they would’ve really screwed over those who invested in lightning peripherals. I think it’s reasonable to expect the peripherals to last at least one phone upgrade.

Yeah maybe it still sucks for people who bought such peripherals in the last few years. But more and more stuff is done over Bluetooth now and we’ve had years where everyone should know that there wasn’t a future for lightning

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conradev wrote: post #600
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> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,

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SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

Apple should hire a couple hackers to create “end-of-life” firmware for their obsolete devices; give them new life as super-specialized devices. Part green program, part customer delight, even some wacky art projects.

Maybe if an iMac doesn’t have a video input—have it boot as an AirPlay-only monitor.

I’ve got 2 old EOL appleTV boxes sitting in a drawer—again, one last firmware update to make them dedicated AirPlay receivers.

Take my 2011 MacBook Air and make it a dedicated Notes machine/word processor—all it does it run notes and sync with iCloud.

Obsolete iPad picture frame is an obvious one.

They can work on the “Reuse” side of the 3R’s of waste reduction (with reduce and recycle, right?)

PS, I’m available, 9 years embedded SW experience ;)

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Post by Wytwwww »

cube2222 wrote: post #127
DeathArrow wrote: post #116

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> 16GB base RAM, they finally did it. I've paid €200 for 128GB RAM in my PC. How much does Apple charge for 128GB of memory?

I get your point, and Apple doesn't price RAM cheap, but it's worth noting that any RAM doesn't equal any other RAM. There's a ton of ram types with varying performance levels, and in apple's case it's RAM with direct and performant access from the graphics card (unified memory).

Isn't the memory in the Surface Laptop 7 (and presumably other comparable Qualcomm/x86 laptops) quite a bit faster?

Of course MS overcharges on upgrades as well... because they can. Can it really have anything to do with cost, though? I wouldn't be surprised that the slotted RAM in laptops that support it and which Lenovo/Dell/etc. sell pretty cheap ir as or more expensive than the "Apple Magic Unified Max Marketing RAM" wholesale?

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