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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by wraptile »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #114
nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

> And, through the same lens, maybe human-created art is more interesting because it is real. Conversations I have with people in real life almost always come back to this point. Most people find AI stuff novel, but few find it particularly interesting on an artistic level. I only really hear about people being ecstatic about AI online, by people who are, for lack of a better term, really online, and who do not have…

I feel the opposite. I don't care how the sausage was made as long as it's a good sausage. Art was never about the creation process. In fact, before the internet most would never see the process at all. Just go to your local museum and you'll never know how most of pieces were made and that's a good thing. Art is all about the effect on the viewer.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by makeitdouble »

famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

> reading books

The harder part to me: "books" aren't great in average.

There's an ocean of garbage books basically mass produced by ghost writers, solely targeted at milking a socially hot topic or grifting.

There's an obesity epidemic ? Let's make 3000 new books repackaging classic diets under new catchy titles and see which sticks. AI is coming ? Let's throw money at anyone with a vaguely related blog and expand their 3 hot takes into 300 pages with a nice title and cover.

At the end of the day what we get in long form is often a stretched version of what was fitting into 3 tweets before they tried to monetize it in a book deal.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by latexr »

bko wrote: post #691
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter?

It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud.

> It's never explained

You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using their own work as a base without compensation. It’s not hard to find explanations if you really care to spend 5 seconds typing it into a search engine. Heck, I bet that if you asked an LLM, it’d tell you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/zn2e3c/eli5_why_do...

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by arcastroe »

valval wrote: post #654
lopis wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assure you that's not enough. These are high quality videos. Once they get uploaded to social media, compression mostly makes imperfections go away. And it's been shown that when people are not expecting AI content, they are much less likely to realize they are looking at AI. I would 100% believe most of these videos were real if caught off guard.

The way I see it, it won’t take long before human eyes won’t be able to distinguish AI generated content from original. The only regret I have about that is losing video as a form of evidence. CCTV footage and the like are a valuable tool for solving crimes. That’s going to be out the window soon.

It's sad that almost AS SOON as we acquired the ability to record real-life moments (with the promise of being able to share undeniable evidence of events with one another), we also acquired the ability to doctor it, negating that promise.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by latexr »

mrcwinn wrote: post #679
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

And yet here you are.

Mr Gotcha strikes again.

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by nessbot »

wraptile wrote: post #701
beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And, through the same lens, maybe human-created art is more interesting because it is real. Conversations I have with people in real life almost always come back to this point. Most people find AI stuff novel, but few find it particularly interesting on an artistic level. I only really hear about people being ecstatic about AI online, by people who are, for lack of a better term, really online, and who do not have…

I feel the opposite. I don't care how the sausage was made as long as it's a good sausage. Art was never about the creation process. In fact, before the internet most would never see the process at all. Just go to your local museum and you'll never know how most of pieces were made and that's a good thing. Art is all about the effect on the viewer.

This requires such a shallow definition for the word "art." I think you're more just talking about images. Art is about more, including the process.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by tracerbulletx »

The most powerful example for me is actually the rain one because it will probably be good enough for lower key effects shots like that to replace a lot of jobs there. More complex generations might look goofy for a while, but if it's good for sky replacement, pyrotechnics, and other line of work effects shots its going to be heavily disruptive.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by oscillatingpie »

makeitdouble wrote: post #702
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

> reading books The harder part to me: "books" aren't great in average. There's an ocean of garbage books basically mass produced by ghost writers, solely targeted at milking a socially hot topic or grifting. There's an obesity epidemic ? Let's make 3000 new books repackaging classic diets under new catchy titles and see which sticks. AI is coming ? Let's throw money at anyone with a vaguely related blog and expand t…

There's more than a lifetime of good literature, good non-fiction, good genre fiction to read. No one is making you read dross.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by bko »

latexr wrote: post #703
bko wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand?

Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists?

ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses?

Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

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