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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

Almost every single website and app in the world has some level of first party tracking. There is nothing at all wrong with it since you are a direct user of the product or service.

They do use it to show ads in App Store and News though?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

There is always a comment saying Apple is much worse than people think compared to Facebook or Google. But there are never any Sources. Google and Facebook track you wherever you go on the internet. You can't get away from it. Apple only shows ads in their App Store. And you can turn off Apples tracking in their Settings. How is that "Much worse than you think"?

Nitpick, but the comment said Apple is worse compared to what people think of Apple.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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What is considered “normal” clothes today was probably considered “goofy” by many/most at some point.

Modern men’s clothing often originated as work clothing (e.g. jeans) or military clothing (e.g. chinos), or something with practical use (ties stopped you spilling food on your shirt).

>ties stopped you spilling food on your shirt

Uh?? Given the size of normal ties, their "use" as a protection for a shirt is dubious!

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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It seems like a crazy thing to say, but the phone/tablet format is actually not very natural. It is more natural than the previous generation of computers that require being stationary and using a complicated keyboard, sure. But holding a device in your hand and staring at it isn’t really the optimal way of using technology. Which is a long way of saying that even if this generation of AR devices don’t take off, they…

The touchscreen might be better than you're giving it credit for. Direct interaction (vs the indirectness of mice, keyboards, gesture) is one benefit that I can't see done better any other way. I think people will always have some kind of handheld touchscreen as a result.

Hmm, touchscreens are a good counter point, but I do think they might be replaceable with AR glasses. It doesn’t seem difficult to mimic a feedback mechanism with only visual feedback and/or a light vibration from the goggles themselves.

I actually think it may be the opposite: direct input like keyboards might be around longer simply because they don’t require you to be looking at your hands to use them. Both touchscreens and AR goggles do.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

There is always a comment saying Apple is much worse than people think compared to Facebook or Google. But there are never any Sources. Google and Facebook track you wherever you go on the internet. You can't get away from it. Apple only shows ads in their App Store. And you can turn off Apples tracking in their Settings. How is that "Much worse than you think"?

> There is always a comment saying Apple is much worse than people think compared to Facebook or Google. But there are never any Sources

I'm not sure about much worse. It may depend on your own threat model. But here you go:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41184153

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40006508

https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveil...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

There's dozens of different styles of camera glasses available on Amazon today for a fraction of the price, with completely concealed cameras. I think that train left the station years ago.

And those don't have mass adoption. If Meta wants this kind of device to sell well, they need to distance themselves from them.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

Almost every single website and app in the world has some level of first party tracking. There is nothing at all wrong with it since you are a direct user of the product or service.

Not FLOSS apps.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Data collection is not only bad because of advertising; that's the most visible annoyance to us, but I'd argue that the kinds of data collection that Google (and especially Apple) enable can be orders of magnitude more harmful (things like client side scanning of content, location tracking even with the phone turned off and these all-knowing AI datasets that are just a query away from learning the most intimate thing…

> client side scanning of content This only happens for photos that were going to be sent to iCloud where all photos are scanned server side. It's hilarious to me that this feature which is actually a privacy win for consumers got so heavily criticised.

There is no privacy win in this feature: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

Agree with the sibling commenter here, this stance baffles me. Google have been caught breaking the law on data collection enough times at this stage that there's absolutely no reason to ever assume they aren't being as invasive & insidious as they can be in their products.

I think people seem to give Google a free pass because so much of their presence in our lives is implicit/invisible but they are so much more embedded than Facebook could ever be.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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I wonder if this could be helpful for those who are sight-impaired.

Sometimes consumer devices don't have widespread appeal but are so useful for some groups

For example, my grandfather when basically completely blind in his 60s. When Alexa came out in his 90s it made such a different to his quality of life in his final few years.

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