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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

There is a lower limit but not an upper limit. Who knows how old we can be in the future, there are coherent smart people over 80 today. But hey, it’s a democracy and if you want to change it you can try…!

> Who knows how old we can be in the future

Read as "who knows how much more entrenched future politicians will be able to be? who knows how many more favors they will owe, how many more donors will have their ear?"

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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He's unsuited to be President for another four years. That doesn't mean he needs to step down right now. It just means he shouldn't run for re-election.

He’s clearly incapable of making any serious decisions. He refers to his defense secretary when he can’t remember his name as “the black man”. He thought a different woman was his wife a few days ago and tried to kiss her. He’s delusional about the current state of the race. He can’t even descend two steps unassisted.

He should have stepped down months ago, and the Democrat party is responsible for hiding this from the public. They really thought they could just shield him till after the election.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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> Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer. On the contrary, the processes that anointed Hillary in 2016 and Biden round 2 in 2024 were exactly the kind of "well, it's this person's turn now" decisions that were bad, anti-democratic (lower-case d) choices previously. I'm not looking for a…

> ...but neither do I think some sort of automatic anointment of Harris is what people want either. Regardless of what people want (and FWIW I agree that Hilary getting rammed down our throats was highly anti-democratic) at this stage of the game, Harris is the only person who can benefit from Biden's warchest. Barring somebody like Dwayne Johnson deciding to enter politics and stealing the show, Harris is the solita…

How was it anti-democratic for the person that was winning primary elections by wide margins being nominated?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

how do you measure who is effective?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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> Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this. > Has it ever been done? Before the 12th Amendment was passed, the VP came from the opposing party[1]. This didn't work particularly well in practice, which is why nobody remembers…

The number of voters aligned with old school Reagan/Bush era Republicanism has all but disappeared. The majority of GOP voters consider Romney to be part of 'the swamp'. Politics in America is increasingly driven by hatred of the out-group, so it is hard to imagine a mixed ticket doing well in 2024.

> Politics in America is increasingly driven by hatred of the out-group, so it is hard to imagine a mixed ticket doing well in 2024.

I do wonder how much of this is driven by loud minorities on both sides rather than by actual majorities anywhere.

I at least would happily vote for a mixed ticket that seemed to be committed to make bipartisanship work. I'm sick of our hate-fueled political system and am desperately hoping for a change.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

It’s weird that an incoherent Trump never gets called out for his ramblings that run on and on in circles. Yet Biden’s gaffes are blown out of proportion. I wish someone just called out Trump directly and told him to stop the ramblings. But nobody in his circle could do it when he was president, nobody could get him off twitter and so on.

I haven't seen a single clip of Trump in months where he hasn't slurred his words several times. Apparently we're all supposed to be okay with that.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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He got us out of Afghanistan too... this was a huge win and was very risky. Doesn't get enough credit for this one. Agreed on NATO + Ukraine too but I wish they would allow us to strike Russia directly even with NATO equipment.

> He got us out of Afghanistan too Yeah, it turns out all we needed to do was run away in the middle of the night and let the country slide back into a illiberal theocratic hell hole.

The only other option was to keep occupying Afghanistan for 50 more years.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

I liked James Carville's idea of picking maybe eight contenders and having town hall type events to choose the most popular. Game show element to take publicity from Trump and also kind of democratic rather than anointing a connected insider, which of course Trump would then go on about endlessly.

Anything a washed up hack like Carville suggests should be viewed with suspicion. At this point, it has to be Harris. She is also the only person who can use the money from Joe Biden's campaign fund.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

I had a similar thought. It would be bold to pluck a republican of the old order as a gesture to the many republicans who now feel like men without a party.

Romney would be an interesting choice. I remember this[0] article in the globe where a columnist who dragged him during his presidential run apologized after seeing how bad things could be.

Like you say though, hard to imagine any party conjuring the courage to do something like that even if they thought it was wise.

[0] https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/07/20/sorry-mitt-romn...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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Which new war did Biden start?
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