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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by docmars »

fennecbutt wrote: post #626
kmeisthax wrote: post #443

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I'm starting to think the relatives of South African emerald mine owners might not be the best people to trust...

Lmao no point in worrying about AI spreading FUD when people do it all by themselves. You know what AI is actually gonna be useful for? AR source attachments to everything that comes out of our monkey mouths, or a huge floating [no source] over someone's head. Realtime factual accuracy checking pls I need it.

If it comes packaged with the constant barrage of ridicule and abuse from others for daring to be slightly wrong about something, nobody may as well talk at all.

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jiggawatts wrote: post #674
subroutine wrote: post #646

This is an interesting update to the article... > After publication, an OpenAI spokesperson sent me this statement: “We have never canceled any current or former employee’s vested equity nor will we if people do not sign a release or nondisparagement agreement when they exit.” - Updated May 17, 2024, 11:20pm EDT

Neither of those statements negate the key point of the article. I've noticed that both Sam Altman personally, and official statements from OpenAI sound like they've been written by Aes Sedai: Not a single untrue word while simultaneously thoroughly deceptive.[1] Let's try translating some statements, as if we were listening to an evil person that can only make true statements: "We have never canceled any current or…

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Post by throwaway2037 »

boppo1 wrote: post #634
tim333 wrote: post #597

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Idk, everyone loves Carmack

True. And does anyone talk bad about the two Google founders? They are pretty much invisible multi-billionaires now. That is a major accomplishment!

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Post by e40 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #214

So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

Perhaps they are stock options and leaving without signing would make them evaporate, but signing turns them back into long-lasting options?

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Post by throwaway2037 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #640
jakupovic wrote: post #617

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I shared stage with Sam at one point for an hour and was not impressed. Obviously I was wrong as Sam has accomplished so much in the meantime, but my initial impression wasn't much. How he did it is for him to know and for others to ...

What do you mean by not impressed?

Probably did not see him as a future billionaire.

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Post by drooby »

windowsrookie wrote: post #428
jimnotgym wrote: post #398

>the company will succeed at developing AI systems that make most human labor obsolete. Hmmmn. Most of the humans where I work do things physically with their hands. I don't see what AI will achieve in their area. Can AI paint the walls in my house, fix the boiler and swap out the rotten windows? If so I think a subscription to chat GPT is very reasonably priced!

Obviously if your job requires blue-collar style manual labor, no it's likely not going to be replaced anytime soon. But if your job is mostly sitting at a computer, I would be a bit worried.

Once AGI is solved. How long does it take for AGI (or human's steering AGI) to create a robot that meets or exceeds the abilities of the human body?

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Post by MVissers »

malfist wrote: post #681
huijzer wrote: post #629

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> If you watch some long form interviews with Elon, you’ll see that he cares a lot about the truth. You mean the guy who's infamous for lying? The guy who claimed his car was fully self driving more than a decade before it is? The guy who tweeted "funding secured" and facing multiple fraud charges?

Tbh, he wasn’t convicted as far as I know.

But yes, he’s overly optimistic with timelines. He says so himself.

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Post by edanm »

romwell wrote: post #594
edanm wrote: post #385

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I think, when making a gesture, you need to consider its practical impact, which includes whether and how it will be understood (or not). In the OpenAI case, the gesture of "forgoing millions of dollars" directly makes you able to do something you couldn't - speak about OpenAI publicly. In the Grigory Perelman case, obviously the message was far less clear to most people (I personally have heard of him turning down t…

Consider this: 1. If he didn't turn down the money, you wouldn't have heard of him at all; 2. You're not the intended audience of Grigory's message, nor are you in position to influence, change, or address the problems he was highlighting. The people who are heard the message loud and clear. 3. On a very basic level, it's very easy to understand that there's gotta be something wrong with the award if a deserving reci…

> 1. If he didn't turn down the money, you wouldn't have heard of him at all;

I think this is probably not true.

> 2. You're not the intended audience of Grigory's message, nor are you in position to influence, change, or address the problems he was highlighting. The people who are heard the message loud and clear.

This is a great point and you're probably right.

> I'm also an autistic Jew from Odessa with a math PhD who left academia (the list of similarities ends there, sadly).

Really? What do you do nowadays?

(I glanced at your bio and website and you seem to be doing interesting things, I've also dabbled in Computational Geometry and 3d printing.)

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Post by benreesman »

brap wrote: post #694
benreesman wrote: post #480

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First, thank you for probably being the first person to recognize in print that it wasn’t easy to stand up to these folks in public, plenty have said things like “you’re fighting the good fight” in private, but I think you’re the first person to in any sense second the motion in my personal case, so big ups on having the guts to say it too. I’ve never been a YC-funded founder myself, but I’ve had multiple roommates w…

Don’t forget WorldCoin!

Yeah, I was trying to stay on topic but flagrant violations of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are really Lawrence Summers’s speciality.

I’m pretty embarrassed to have former colleagues who openly defend shit like this.

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Post by jimnotgym »

eastbound wrote: post #441
windowsrookie wrote: post #428

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Obviously if your job requires blue-collar style manual labor, no it's likely not going to be replaced anytime soon. But if your job is mostly sitting at a computer, I would be a bit worried.

Given the low quality of relationships between customers and blue-collared jobs, i.e. ever tried to get a job done by a plumber or a painter, if you don’t know how to do their job you are practically assured they will do something in your back that will fall off in 2 years, for the price of 2x your daily rate as a software engineer (when they don’t straight up send a paperless immigrant which makes you culprit of par…

Shoddy contractors can then give you a shoddy service with a shoddy robot.

Quality contractors will still be around, but everyone will try and beat them down on price because they care about that more than quality. The good contractors won't be able to make any money because of this and will leave the trade....just like now, just like I did

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