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Apple introduces M4 chip

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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

bamboozled wrote: post #543
andsoitis wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

As soon as the privacy thing goes away, I'd say a major part of their customer base goes away too. Most people use android so they don't get "hacked" if Apple is doing the hacking, I'd just buy a cheaper alternative.

I'd say from my experience the average Apple users care less about privacy then the general public. It's a status symbol first and foremost 99% of what people do on their phones is basically identical on both platforms at this point.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by throwaway48476 »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

>Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices

Ironic, given that AI requires lots of VRAM.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by Topfi »

Generally, I feel that telling a company how to handle a product line as successful as the iPads doesn't make much sense (what does my opinion matter vs their success), but I beg you, please make Xcode available on iPad OS or provide an optional and separate MacOS mode similar to Dex on Samsung tablets. Being totally honest, I don't like MacOS that much in comparison to other options, but we have to face the fact that even with the M1, the iPads raw performance was far beyond the vast majority of laptops and tablets in a wide range of use cases, yet the restrictive software made that all for naught. Consider that the "average" customer is equally happy with and, due to pricing, generally steered towards the iPad Air, which are great devices that cover the vast majority of use cases essentially identical to the Pro.

Please find a way beyond local transformer models to offer a true use case that differentiates the Pro from the Air (ideally development). The second that gets announced, I'd order the 13-inch model straight away. As it stands, Apple's stance is at least saving me from spending 3,5k as I've resigned myself to accept that the best hardware in tablets simply cannot be used in any meaningful way. Xcode would be a start, MacOS a bearable compromise (unless they start to address the instability and bugs I deal with on my MBP, which would make MacOS more than just a compromise), Asahi a ridiculous, yet beautiful pipedream. Fedora on an iPad, the best of hardware and software, at least in my personal opinion.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by crazygringo »

slashdev wrote: post #583
acdha wrote: post #576

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> I can't even sell it for parts because I can't erase the SSD The SSD is encrypted with a rate-limited key in the Secure Enclave - unless someone has your password they’re not getting your data.

Not worth the liability. I’d rather the landfill and peace of mind than the money

But what liability?

That's the whole point of encrypted storage. There is no liability if you used a reasonable password.

Why not accept you have peace of mind and resell on eBay for parts?

Assuming you didn't use "password123" or something.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by LtWorf »

yazzku wrote: post #652
LtWorf wrote: post #614

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> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy Is this the same apple whose devices do not work at all unless you register an apple account?

Some people really seem to be truly delusional. It's obvious that the company's "privacy" is a marketing gimmick when you consider the facts. Do people not consider the facts anymore? How does somebody appeal to the company's "privacy-first strategy" with a straight face in light of the facts? I suppose they are not aware of the advertising ID that is embedded in all Apple operating systems. That one doesn't even req…

Considering the facts is much harder when admitting a mistake is involved.

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Post by crazygringo »

slashdev wrote: post #585
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #495

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Why don't you take it to the Apple Store to recycle it instead of dropping it in the trash can?

They don’t accept computers for recycling. That’s what I found when I looked it up

They absolutely do. You must have looked it up wrong.

Here:

https://www.apple.com/recycling/nationalservices/

I've even done it before personally with an old MacBook that wouldn't turn on.

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Post by lagt_t »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Has nothing to do with privacy, google is also pushing gemini nano to the device. The sector is discovering the diminishing returns of LLMs.

With the ai cores on phones they can cover your average user use cases with a light model without the server expense.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by SpaceManNabs »

lagt_t wrote: post #709
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Has nothing to do with privacy, google is also pushing gemini nano to the device. The sector is discovering the diminishing returns of LLMs. With the ai cores on phones they can cover your average user use cases with a light model without the server expense.

don't bother. apple's marketing seems to have won on here. i made a similar point only for people to tell me that apple is the only org seriously pushing federated learning.
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