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Why did 500 Israeli soldiers die in Gaza from your perspective?
> Why did 500 Israeli soldiers die in Gaza from your perspective? Are saying you committed massacres and bombed hospitals, UN schools, mosques, churches, and ambulances, as some sort of retaliation? leveling the entire place, displacing a million, and killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians most of whom were women, children, medical staff and red cross members because...? enlighten me please
Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why did 500 Israeli soldiers die in Gaza from your perspective?
> Why did 500 Israeli soldiers die in Gaza from your perspective? Are saying you committed massacres and bombed hospitals, UN schools, mosques, churches, and ambulances, as some sort of retaliation? leveling the entire place, displacing a million, and killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians most of whom were women, children, medical staff and red cross members because...? enlighten me please
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Palestine has been under de facto Israeli control for more than 50 years. Israel won this war a long, long time ago. And instead of helping to build a place for Palestinians to live, they kept them under direct military occupation until 2005, then under blockade plus air raids (in retaliation for Palestinian attacks, but usually ending up with a 10:1 ratio of dead Palestinians for each killed Israeli citizen). What t…
> And instead of helping to build a place for Palestinians to live, they kept them under direct military occupation until 2005, then under blockade plus air raids (in retaliation for Palestinian attacks, but usually ending up with a 10:1 ratio of dead Palestinians for each killed Israeli citizen). Gaza got billions of aid since 2005. Water pipes were built, material was delivered. What happened with it? They built on…
Seriously speaking, what they got is subsistence level help, essentially. The Marshall plan was about building up businesses, industry, banks - everything. Not some token support to just about prevent them from dying.
And, with the 30 years of military occupation and the 20 years of blockade, no real commerce could be made, so Gaza was kept entirely dependent on foreign aid.
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How about when the occupier does morally reprehensible things? how should you react? turn the other cheek? Thank you sir, may I have another... ( https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.... ) Notably: The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that: The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory. Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the o…
There is the legal - armed resistance to an occupation is legal - and there is moral - armed resistance attacking unarmed civilians is never morally right. Settling occupied territory is neither legal, nor moral. Bombing hospitals is both illegal and immoral, as so many other things the IDF has been doing for the past months. Then there are the crimes committed against Palestinians over the past 80 or so years - it's…
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Oh, you sweet summer child. Who do you think "private supporters" are in Saudi Arabia? And no, I don't think anyone with anything resembling power or wealth in Saudi Arabia supports human rights. HRW execs admit via email to the editor in chief of a nationally respected magazine that they raise money by bragging how tough they are on Israel. And then they are tough on Israel, and you think it's a principled stance. M…
HRW should be "tough" on any nation that violates people's human rights. That's their mission. And it seems like they are. They're tough on Saudi Arabia too.
But don’t take it from me. Take that from a senior editor who left HRW after 13 years: https://www.timesofisrael.com/outgoing-human-rights-watch-se...
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> whereas Israel really doesn't want Gaza. Like, if Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip/west bank, then why hasn't there been a two state solution? > The UK was always Northern Ireland's government and controlled all state functions. This is 100% not true, Ulster (the majority of which is in Northern Ireland) was historically the part of Ireland that resisted British/English invasions the most, such that the British b…
> Like, if Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip/west bank, then why hasn't there been a two state solution? My understanding is support for a 2 state solution is relatively low on both sides. Especially now that things have deteriorated, but even before oct 7 it seemed unlikely. Even if Israel doesn't want Gaza, they still have an interest in not getting shot at. I don't think they believe that they would be safe from…
I find that pretty hard to believe (particularly from the Palestinian side). I agree that Israel's government doesn't want this (Netanyahu has been against since forever), but the options are occupation and the consequent destruction of Israel as a liberal democratic state, or a two state solution. Fundamentally, nothing else will work.
> Even if Israel doesn't want Gaza, they still have an interest in not getting shot at. I don't think they believe that they would be safe from attacks if they left Gaza alone, and based on both history as well as current rhetoric from Palestinian leaders, it doesn't seem like an irrational fear.
I completely understand the fears that many Israelis have, but fundamentally if they stopped settling the west bank and moved towards actually working towards a two state solution, there would be a lot less violence.
> I think a fundamental problem here is historically, israeli overtures towards peace (imperfect as they may have been) have often been met with an increase in violence. Its hard to sell peace to someone when they don't have a lot of reason to believe it will actually result in peace and not increased violence.
Can you give me some examples here? I'm open to being convinced, but I haven't noted much of this over the twenty years I've been following this conflict.
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#707Israel has distracted the entire West from Ukraine and is mostly being driven by someone who seems to be more self-interested than anything else. The West has been played like a total fool and this is what Hamas wanted, to follow Israel into creating an unstable environment where we are now even bombing Yemen all while other countries like China continue to grow. The fact that the attack happened right as relations w…
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You cannot declare war on a territory you occupy and control. It is as if the United States declared war on Washington DC or any of their numerous prisons.
Technically I think Israel declared war on Hamas, not Palestine. Similarly, Palestine hasn't declared war on Israel, but Hamas has.
And then the same vagueness is the same tactics used by the most well funded, the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever - to make people think being against the actions of their current Israeli government, e.g. war crimes they're committing and have been committing, is anti-Semitism.
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> whereas Israel really doesn't want Gaza. Like, if Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip/west bank, then why hasn't there been a two state solution? > The UK was always Northern Ireland's government and controlled all state functions. This is 100% not true, Ulster (the majority of which is in Northern Ireland) was historically the part of Ireland that resisted British/English invasions the most, such that the British b…
> Like, if Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip/west bank, then why hasn't there been a two state solution? Because Hamas wants Israel destroyed, and a state actor doing that is a much bigger problem for Israel than a non-state actor.
Hamas is fundamentally a response to the co-option of the PA by (perceived) western/israeli governments. It's rather like the provisional IRA versus the constitutional nationalists in Ireland.
If people see that only violence has any impact, there will be more violence. The events post October 7th (i.e. what's happened in Gaza) have basically created the next Hamas, even in the vanishingly unlikely case that the IDF can wipe them out now.
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> Prior to making unfounded statements, might I suggest you become informed? > Israel has occupied Palestine since 1948 Perhaps you should check your dates before calling people misinformed. Gaza was occupied by Egypt until 1967.
The fact still stands, Israel has occupied Palestine since 1948.
Also a fact, Israel invented terrorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing)