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Post by IanCal »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #594
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

Incredible. Gpt4 spots that the door is transparent and that changes things but has this great line

> When you initially pick a door (in this case, door number 1 where you already see the car), you have a 1/3 chance of having picked the car

(Asking it to explain this it correctly solves the problem but it's a wonderfully silly sentence)

Edit - in a new chat it gets it right the first time

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by OrsonSmelles »

happytiger wrote: post #679
closewith wrote: post #661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini was a stepping stone to a moonshot, which is almost certainly why the name was chosen. Edit: another poster shared the etymology, the merger between Google Brain and DeepMind. I shall eat my words.

Perhaps. Corporate entomologies tend to be very well rehearsed stories, and I’ve been around the valley long enough to know those stories aren’t always the whole story. I would encourage you to read the Kissinger / Schmidt book before settling your opinion. That origin story may be true. But it doesn’t make the whole story necessarily. https://time.com/6113393/eric-schmidt-henry-kissinger-ai-boo...

>corporate entomologies

Now there's a ready-made Far Side concept.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by richardw »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

And if the brand took off, I imagine you could “Bard” something as a verb but not “Gemini” it.

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

The promise sounded good, but the reviews for Gemini Advanced are not very positive.

Google have thrown it in as part of Google one, but this means it's the same price as ChatGPT+ which for sure seems better despite Google's promises.

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Post by panarky »

TillE wrote: post #644
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

"Gemini" must refer to its inherently multimodal origins?

It's not a text-based LLM that was later adapted to include other modalities. It was designed from the start to seamlessly understand and work with audio, images, video and text simultaneously. Theoretically, this should give it a more integrated and versatile understanding of the world.

The promise is that multimodality baked in from the start, instead of bolting image recognition on to a primarily text-based LLM, should give it superior reasoning and problem-solving capabilities. It should excel at complex reasoning tasks to draw inferences, create plans, and solve problems in areas like math and programming.

I don't know if that promise has been achieved yet.

In my testing so far, Gemini Advanced seems equivalent to ChatGPT 4 in most of my use cases. I tested it on the last few of days worth of programming tasks that I'd solved with ChatGPT 4, and in most cases it returns exactly what I wanted on the first response, compared with the a lengthy back-and-forth required with ChatGPT 4 arrive at the same result.

But when analyzing images Gemini Advanced seems overly sensitive and constantly gives false rejections. For example, I asked it to analyze a Chinese watercolor and ink painting of a pagoda-style building amidst a flurry of cherry blossoms, with figures ascending a set of stairs towards the building. ChatGPT 4 gave a detailed response about its style, history, techniques, similar artists, etc. Gemini refused to answer and deleted the image because it detected people in the image, even though they were very small, viewed from the back, no faces, no detail whatsoever.

In my (limited) testing so far, I'd say Gemini Advanced is better at analyzing recent events than ChatGPT 4 with Bing. This morning I asked each of them to describe the current situation with South Korea possibly acquiring a nuclear deterrent. Gemini's response was very current and cited specific statements by President Yoon Suk-yeol. Even after triggering a Bing search to get the latest facts, the ChatGPT 4 response was muddy and overly general, with empty and obvious sentences like "pursuing a nuclear weapons program would confront significant technical, diplomatic, and strategic challenges".

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Post by gavmor »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

The real question is what's nearby each name's vector embedding in terms of whatever similarity metric Gemini will use to talk about the world. That's their new canonical ontology, after all.

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Post by jonas21 »

jonplackett wrote: post #695
yandie wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a different answer with GPT 3.5 > If the word "push" is written on the glass door in mirror writing, it means that from the other side of the door, it should be pushed. When you see the mirrored text from your side, it indicates the action to be taken from the opposite side. Therefore, in this scenario, you should push the door to open it.

Here's another one. This is a classic logic puzzle - usually about ducks. There are two pineapples in front of a pineapple, two pineapples behind a pineapple and a pineapple in the middle. How many pineapples are there? When you use ducks, Gemini can do it, when you use pineapples it cannot and thinks there are 5 instead of 3. ChatGPT 3.5 and 4 can do it. The even funnier thing is if you then say to gemini, hey - wou…

As a human, I think the correct answer is 7. This isn't so much a logic puzzle as an ambiguous sentence that can be parsed multiple ways.

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Post by richardw »

jaimie wrote: post #597
zooq_ai wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Strange to say Apple doesn't have productivity tools when Pages, Sheets, and Keynote exist on every Mac. I get the scale arguments, but Handoff and iCloud integration are a sleeper IF you've bought into the ecosystem... Also hard to overstate just how much more valuable the enterprise market is over the consumer market when comparing Microsoft vs. Google as one-stop anything shops. I don't see Google as having the ob…

Apple is coming. I think the personal agent is where we really want the smarts and if they’re not trying to own that space the CEO should be fired.

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

sho_hn wrote: post #659
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

"Bard" always struck me a bad naming - unfamiliar, unfriendly, too cerebral. I think the name was an impediment against establishing a household brand.

> unfamiliar, unfriendly, too cerebral

The Witcher is one of Netflix's most watch shows. I'd also imagine that most people in English speaking countries have been exposed to Shakespeare's nickname in high school English classes.

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