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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by surajrmal »

38 wrote: post #577
ramblenode wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Users often depend on websites trusting the client environment they run in. This trust may assume that the client environment is honest about certain aspects of itself, keeps user data and intellectual property secure, and is transparent about whether or not a human is using it." Double-plus-good rights management!

This reads like someone hopelessly out of touch with actual users. Most users don't give a shit if their client is "honest", or if it's respects intellectual property. These are concerns of web admins and media companies. Users just want something to load websites.

I think it depends. When I use an ATM, I want to make sure it's the official bank ATM and won't steal my information. Also, spam is a tax that websites must pay and we as users are indirectly paying for this tax regardless of whether we intend to or not.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by unethical_ban »

charlesabarnes wrote: post #71
Slackwise wrote: post #44

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

I have tried to switch out of curiosity, but the lack of PWA support in addition to missing features like WebUSB really limits how useful the browser is to me.

When I need webusb or webserial, I use edge or chrome. So far, that's been twice, ever.

I don't know anything in detail about those protocols though, and don't know why Firefox doesn't have them.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

bluescrn wrote: post #82
Slackwise wrote: post #44

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

What's the real use case of PWAs? They just seem like another way to attempt to shift users from the 'proper web' into a place where blocking ads is more difficult. Personally, I wish we could purge the vast majority of 'apps' from the world, they shouldn't be apps in the first place, most have no need to run native code, they should be links to websites, sites that can work on more-or-less any device in any browser.

Cmd/Alt+Tab

On macOS this is even more important because switching windows within an app does not use most recently used order.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by cycomanic »

ahepp wrote: post #313
mastercheif wrote: post #139

I would’ve considered switching to Firefox if they hadn’t shipped their Pocket “redesign” earlier this year. It’s one of the worst most user hostile updates I’ve seen from any app or website in my 20 years on the web. It’s completely broken, frankly. If you open a saved article and then switch apps, Pocket kicks you back to the Home Screen. Tapping the “view all” button—which should take you to your saved article lis…

Mozilla is still finding ways to antagonize its users with Pocket? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I stopped using Firefox when they started pushing Pocket so hard. Maybe I’m remembering too strongly, but my recollection is that when I complained about it I was told this is the future, you’re being a crank, and it’s totally normal for a third party exension collecting data to be baked into a browser that claims to…

That doesn't make any sense. Because they offered a service that you were not interested you switched away and consider the less privacy friendly than a big corporation which runs one of the largest advertisement business in the world and tries to lock everyone into their ecosystem?

Seriously, why do you hold Mozilla a nonprofit with a proven history of putting privacy of their users first, to a much higher standard than the largest corporations in the world with proven disregard (and profit motive to ignore it) for their users privacy?

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by friend_and_foe »

I will not.

You can't beg me. You can't scare me into it. You just have to quit fucking up Firefox.

I'll use Firefox forks. But I'm not using Mozilla® Firefox™. Period. They've treated me like they don't care if I choose it for the last time. If they want to quit pushing pocket, quit preaching to me about expressing myself via themes, quit resetting my configuration upon update, quit limiting the extensions I can use and pretending it's for my benefit, quit changing UX arbitrarily, and generally quit treating me like they don't care if I use their browser or not, I'll consider it. Trust is lost quickly and gained slowly.

If it's any consolation, I won't use Edge, Chrome or Safari either.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by cycomanic »

Seb-C wrote: post #526
mastercheif wrote: post #139

I would’ve considered switching to Firefox if they hadn’t shipped their Pocket “redesign” earlier this year. It’s one of the worst most user hostile updates I’ve seen from any app or website in my 20 years on the web. It’s completely broken, frankly. If you open a saved article and then switch apps, Pocket kicks you back to the Home Screen. Tapping the “view all” button—which should take you to your saved article lis…

I switched away from Firefox about 3 years ago (after more than 10 years of using it) because I got tired of them breaking stuff (and my habits) with unnecessary redesigns every 6 months or so.

What did they break? I've been a Firefox user since forever and I don't recall any breaking changes on desktop for the last 15 years or so (really since they deprecated xul). Now on mobile you might have an argument, but Firefox on android was bad before the recent redesign and is by quite a margin the best mobile browser since.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by redcobra762 »

latexr wrote: post #553
redcobra762 wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does both, actually!

Are you saying that, by default and without any account, the official YouTube iOS app does not display ads? Then why are there so many alternative frontends which have ad blocking as a feature and Reddit is littered with threads asking how to block ads in the app?

Nope, the question was whether or not the YouTube app played video without ads and allowed downloads. It does both.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by temp0826 »

wharvle wrote: post #539
temp0826 wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been a long time since I've had a fresh install of ff (I do recall some notification bars in the window you have to close out), but as a very longtime user, I have no idea what you're talking about...example?

They pop new tabs, little “hint” boxes, et c, all the time. It’s the kind of thing that’s easy to become blind to as a power user (but is annoying if you do notice it), but that murders UX for lots of folks.

Unless you mean the random tabs when an extension e.g. tampermonkey gets updated and shows a change log I don't think I've seen what you mentioned. Definitely nothing "all the time".

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by echelon »

Dalewyn wrote: post #613
echelon wrote: post #531

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Firefox needs to make money.

Indeed, their CEO wants her fat paycheck.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...

She needs to go. 100% of the money should go to engineering and (actually skilled and focused) product people.
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