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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by jiggawatts »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

That was pretty impressive… but do I have to be “that guy” and point out the error it made?

It said rubber ducks float because they’re made of a material less dense than water — but that’s not true!

Rubber is more dense than water. The ducky floats because it’s filled with air. If you fill it with water it’ll sink.

Interestingly, ChatGPT 3.5 makes the same error, but GPT 4 nails it and explains the it’s the air that provides buoyancy.

I had the same impression with Google’s other AI demos: cute but missing something essential that GPT 4 has.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by zlg_codes »

Nice toy Google, now how can it improve MY life?

....yeah, that's what I thought. This is another toy and another tool to spy on people with. It's not capable of improving lives.

Additionally, I had to tap the Back button numerous times to get back to this page. If you're going to EEE the Web, at least build your site correctly.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by chatmasta »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #452
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

Great. But school's out. It's time to build product. Let the rubber hit the road. Put up or shut up, as they say.

I'm not dumb enough to bet against Google. They appear to be losing the race, but they can easily catch up to the lead pack.

There's a secondary issue that I don't like Google, and I want them to lose the race. So that will color my commentary and slow my early adoption of their new products, but unless everyone feels the same, it shouldn't have a meaningful effect on the outcome. Although I suppose they do need to clear a higher bar than some unknown AI startup. Expectations are understandably high - as Sundar says, they basically invented this stuff... so where's the payoff?

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by chatmasta »

tikkun wrote: post #200
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

To add to my comment above: Google DeepMind put out 16 videos about Gemini today, the total watch time at 1x speed is about 45 mins. I've now watched them all (at >1x speed). In my opinion, the best ones are: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI - variety of video/sight capabilities * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPwU1FNhMOA - understanding direction of light and plants * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D…

Wait so it doesn't exist yet? Thanks for watching 45 minutes of video to figure that out for me. Why am I wasting my time reading this thread?

Somebody please wake me up when I can talk to the thing by typing and dropping files into a chat box.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by DonHopkins »

ac1spkrbox wrote: post #586
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true King”

Any man who must say "I won't be a dictator, except for day one" will be a permanent dictator.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/1...

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by chatmasta »

alberth wrote: post #457
EZ-E wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?

I've had dozens of moments over the past few months where I got frustrated at the lack of answers from a Google search, remembered ChatGPT, pasted the exact same query into its chatbox, and got an immediate answer (which was also way clearer than any answer from Google, or any blogspam site Google could have sent me to).

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by p_j_w »

carbocation wrote: post #397
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

formatted nicely: Dataset | Gemini Ultra | Gemini Pro | GPT-4 MMLU | 90 | 79 | 87 BIG-Bench-Hard | 84 | 75 | 83 HellaSwag | 88 | 85 | 95 Natural2Code | 75 | 70 | 74 WMT23 | 74 | 72 | 74

I realize that this is essentially a ridiculous question, but has anyone offered a qualitative evaluation of these benchmarks? Like, I feel that GPT-4 (pre-turbo) was an extremely powerful model for almost anything I wanted help with. Whereas I feel like Bard is not great. So does this mean that my experience aligns with "HellaSwag"?

>Like, I feel that GPT-4 (pre-turbo) was an extremely powerful model for almost anything I wanted help with. Whereas I feel like Bard is not great. So does this mean that my experience aligns with "HellaSwag"?

It doesn't mean that at all because Gemini Turbo isn't available in Bard yet.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by choppaface »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

> A better look would simply be to show instead of tell.

Completely! Just tried Bard. No images and the responses it gave me were pretty poor. Today's launch is a weak poor product launch, looks mostly like a push to close out stuff for Perf and before everybody leaves for the rest of the December for vacation.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by peyton »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #452
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

I think Apple (especially under Jobs) had it right that customers don’t really give a shit about how hard or long you’ve worked on a problem or area.
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