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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by simjnd »

pb7 wrote: post #650
turblety wrote: post #602

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> Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough Interesting. I don't really like Apple, mainly because of how they handle the app store vendor lock in stuff, and I hate macOS. But I use an M2 MBP purely because I can't find any other laptop that has the same fast performance, long battery life, quiet fan noise, no heat. Can you recommend an AMD/Intel or anything that comes close? I'd switch in a heartbeat. The closest t…

> I don't really like Apple, mainly because of how they handle the app store vendor lock in stuff, and I hate macOS. But I use an M2 MBP purely because I can't find any other laptop that has the same fast performance, long battery life, quiet fan noise, no heat. Buying their products for the same reason everyone else does is "liking Apple".

You can like or use a product without liking the company making it or its practices

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Post by d3w4s9 »

dml2135 wrote: post #560
anemoiac wrote: post #289

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It’s frustrating. I wish they would just charge an extra $X for the privilege of using multiple external monitors. I like the form factor of the MBA as is… if I need to compromise on that, I might as well choose a different machine.

Same, the M2 MBA is all the power I need and I vastly prefer the smaller size, but the monitor issue is killer. I finally bit the bullet and bought a DisplayLink dock, which gets the job done, but just seems like a silly compromise when the Intel MBA could support 2 external monitors natively.

I hear the DisplayLink solution is very half-baked and has many issues. I'm going to skip mac laptops for as long as they don't ship a Macbook Air with dual external display support -- I am doing fine with Windows laptops, and they really have improved in performance and efficiency over the last few years.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by d3w4s9 »

NoPicklez wrote: post #315

"The industry’s first 3-nanometer chips for a personal computer debut a next-generation GPU architecture and deliver dramatic performance improvements, a faster CPU and Neural Engine, and support for more unified memory" This reads horribly in my opinion

That's Apple's hyping as usual. Apparently the improvements are not that "dramatic" when you look at numbers, at least not any more than M1->M2.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by foldr »

avereveard wrote: post #599
fckgw wrote: post #377

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The 14" and 16" Macbook Pros have always been able to drive 2+ displays. The new ones updated today continue this feature. Hope this helps.

Not at all. Version of MacBook Pro with the M1 and M2 base chip can only drive one external monitor. And 600$ upgrade for the privilege of having a second external monitor is one hell of a step.

You're talking about the 13" model (now retired). As the previous poster said, the models that have been upgraded here have always been able to drive two displays.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by d3w4s9 »

killerdhmo wrote: post #173
Kye wrote: post #139

It's shiny but I think I'll stick to my upgradable RAM and two m2 slots + a RTX 3070ti and i7-12700H for a fraction of the price. Something at Apple broke when they switched to their own silicon outside iPad and iPhone. They turned around the slow march toward parity on price:performance/RAM/storage and went screaming in the other direction. I really wanted to switch to mac when I was shopping for a new system earlie…

You know they announced a price cut right?

No they didn't, look closely. I was also fooled at first.

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Post by rafaelmn »

turblety wrote: post #602
rafaelmn wrote: post #593

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Intel straggler here ! When M1 hit I was certain I would get a M Apple in a year or two when they iron out the transition. It was just leaps and bounds ahead of others and the pricing was great. Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough, Apple didn't keep the momentum, and they do standard Apple pricing discrimination - I think I'll take a gamble on Framework AMD version. I really like the idea behind the self-repai…

> Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough Interesting. I don't really like Apple, mainly because of how they handle the app store vendor lock in stuff, and I hate macOS. But I use an M2 MBP purely because I can't find any other laptop that has the same fast performance, long battery life, quiet fan noise, no heat. Can you recommend an AMD/Intel or anything that comes close? I'd switch in a heartbeat. The closest t…

I use my laptop as a portable workstation so I rarely use built in keyboard, touchpad, battery, etc. From what I see AMD 7840 CPUs deliver similar performance to M2.

I think I'll get an Framework 16 or 13 with AMD in a few months, will make sure Linux drivers are in order before ordering.

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Post by shanghaikid »

walterbell wrote: post #492
spiralpolitik wrote: post #334

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The technical explanation is that on the base M1/M2 SoC there is one Thunderbolt bus that supports 2 display outputs. On the MacBook Air one output is connected to the internal display leaving one output for an external display. (The Mac Mini that uses the same SoC is limited to 2 external displays for the same reason) To support more displays they would have to add support for a second Thunderbolt bus to the base So…

Allow the user to turn off the internal display in favor of 2 external displays. That would be a usable docked configuration.

you are right, but apple won't do this.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by d3w4s9 »

dmitrygr wrote: post #159
Kye wrote: post #139

It's shiny but I think I'll stick to my upgradable RAM and two m2 slots + a RTX 3070ti and i7-12700H for a fraction of the price. Something at Apple broke when they switched to their own silicon outside iPad and iPhone. They turned around the slow march toward parity on price:performance/RAM/storage and went screaming in the other direction. I really wanted to switch to mac when I was shopping for a new system earlie…

I tried to find a laptop with the specification you just mentioned that could last 20 hours on battery. Didn’t.

That's true, however I realized I personally don't actually need > 6hr battery life in a laptop, like, ever. There is always an outlet near me, and the charger & cable are small enough to easily carry around. If I am on a trip, well the same charger can be used to charge my phone and other devices, so I am not packing more than I would have otherwise. Why do I need to worry about battery life?

P.S. both you and I know that the 20 hour number is not real.

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Post by rafaelmn »

commandersaki wrote: post #694
rafaelmn wrote: post #593

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Intel straggler here ! When M1 hit I was certain I would get a M Apple in a year or two when they iron out the transition. It was just leaps and bounds ahead of others and the pricing was great. Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough, Apple didn't keep the momentum, and they do standard Apple pricing discrimination - I think I'll take a gamble on Framework AMD version. I really like the idea behind the self-repai…

I have a 12th gen Framework 13", 13" M1 Air, and a 15" M2 Air. I use the Framework laptop for work because I need to use Linux. The Framework laptop is mediocre just like pretty much all PC laptops. The hinges are awful, if you pick up the laptop upright, about 50% of the time the screen falls flat 180 degrees. The trackpad is arse in Linux. If you're lucky you can probably get 5 hours battery life, but on a realisti…

Thing is I use integrated keyboard/trackpad maybe a few times a week in conference rooms, same for battery - 5 hours is plenty for presentations and meetings.

I want a portable workstation that I can occasionally use as a laptop, so build quality and laptop stuff isn't that big of a deal to me. I'm always using a screen via USBC + dedicated keyboard and mouse. Performance and noise are a factor - I'm hoping that AMD versions deliver on that.

I'm leaning towards framework because if my current MBP dies I can't do anything about it since it's been out of warenty for years. And upgrading it eventually with next gen CPU without having to change storage/RAM, etc. sounds nice.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by pb7 »

simjnd wrote: post #701
pb7 wrote: post #650

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> I don't really like Apple, mainly because of how they handle the app store vendor lock in stuff, and I hate macOS. But I use an M2 MBP purely because I can't find any other laptop that has the same fast performance, long battery life, quiet fan noise, no heat. Buying their products for the same reason everyone else does is "liking Apple".

You can like or use a product without liking the company making it or its practices

Your only relationship to the company is via the goods and services it sells to you. If you buy their products, you like the company and their practices. The product is the culmination of all of their practices.
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