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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by anonyfox »

tekknik wrote: post #675
anonyfox wrote: post #623

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The great thing about fascism (the extreme form of conservativsm when going more rightwing) is that it’s always a matter of in-group vs out-group, THE stereotype of thinking of the right-wingers. Like, we have the true values and they are immoral. This thinking naturally Leads of subselects within the in-group that are even more true than the others… and it gets recursively smaller going towards fascism. So ultimatel…

> The great thing about fascism (the extreme form of conservativsm when going more rightwing) Stopped reading after you asserted that fascism is a right only attribute.

words do have definitions. every political direction can have authoritarian traits, still fascism is the extreme form of conservatism. So is communism as the extreme form of socialism, to compare it with left-wing words. The third political direction is liberalism that ultimately leads to anarchy (no state at all). Both American parties are in the area of liberal-conservative… as a European it simply looks like slightly rightwing (dems) and bordering fascist (reps).

Political classification is a complex topic though, it needs multiple dimensions to somehow get to something useful as a mental model.

I am „green“ first and foremost, and while the solarpunk or eco-socialist movements surely have socialist aspects, the „green“ main focus isn’t even covered in previous models. Green is neither left nor right nor liberal, it’s… future oriented? Dunno.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Hoasi »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #451
MachineBurning wrote: post #370

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The person who wrote the post says that they can produce the same quality content in "2-3 days" instead of "several weeks", and that there are two people working in essentially the same position. If the amount of content to be produced remains constant, then from a purely financial point of view the company should be looking at cutting one of them. AI would have then taken their job. For the amount of content to be p…

Oof. Firing isn't free, comrade. Reducing redundancy to a single point of failure has two major effects: the latency penalty becomes quadratic as workload scales, and if any person quits, you lose the whole team. In general, creative roles like artists are the sum value of their education and experience, not just their measured output. If you don't possess art history vocabulary, you're going to be very limited in pr…

> people don't want to share their prompts because they don't want everyone to know how much the model carried them and how little any actual "prompt engineering" went into it.

Right. Because this whole "prompt engineering" is just another job title, not an applied science, and then again, prompts can and will be automated away.

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Post by scotty79 »

tgv wrote: post #681
scotty79 wrote: post #655

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That's argument against capitalism not against automation.

As I wrote elsewhere: save for a world revolution. Capitalism is a given, it's not going to go away. The degree swings a bit, but right now the tendency is still pretty "right" wing, so you've got to see the application of AI in that context. Anything else is at best day-dreaming.

> Capitalism [...], it's not going to go away.

And the automation is? We were getting rid of labor that can be automated in monarchy and in feudalism. Capitalism is no different.

Future with different organization of production and sharing of its results is imaginable. Future in which most people refuse to pursue automation is not.

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Post by Hoasi »

rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

> When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly.

And yet, the more I play with these image models, the less I worry they might replace all artists.

Granted, it will commoditize some skills, such as photo bashing, mockups, and visual exploration.

It is a "creative" tool in a way, in the sense that a prompt can give unexpected results, such as associations that were uncalled for. But as much as you can replace higher-paid video game concept artists, you'll still need people to operate these text-to-image tools. We are past the initial discovery days, where all the results look incredible, and even the public will grow more discerning. Artists can't ignore these tools. As tools for the individual, they can be a lever. As a full-time, corporate job? Not so much. That is to say, as a job, this is not different from many other bullshit jobs. Prompting all day long is as fun as filling boxes in Excel. That will probably attract a new crowd of less specialized workers, and artists will have no choice but to adapt.

Digital artists could find new ways of expression using traditional art (a luxury), diversify, and engage in content creation. There are many alleys to confront pessimism, despair, and the fear of becoming obsolete.

Artists thrive in adversity and uncertain situations because they are problem-solvers first. Imagination is their job.

Photography made portrait artists redundant, but it didn't eliminate artists. It will change the nature of an artist's job and kill some of the joy in some cases, but it will trigger creative responses, too.

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Post by fortyseven »

savef wrote: post #349
pdc56 wrote: post #332

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Curious - on a scale out of 10, how much of that was written by ChatGPT? No offense intended - if the answer is zero, my apologies

https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

So this is the future we want, eh? Everybody paranoid, running everybody else's responses through an AI detector. One that isn't even trusting itself.

And the bitch of it is, people ARE going to be using AI generated responses in arguments.

The decade is turning out to be truly fucking terrible.

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Post by flerovium »

iamphilrae wrote: post #312

The rise of website builders like Wix, Squarespace, and Shopify has drastically changed the web design and development industry. As a co-founder and lead developer of a small design/development team, I loved my job and was passionate about creating beautiful and functional websites. However, as more and more clients turned to these DIY platforms, I found it increasingly difficult to justify our higher prices. While o…

This feels different because we engineers are being eaten by our own young, but an artist never wanted or bargained for it.

Programming is fun, but humanity has always existed with art. We are slowly crushing something that is good and important.

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Post by deanCommie »

echelon wrote: post #392
prawn wrote: post #373

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It's not just that the budgets are harder to justify; it's also that prospective clients consider themselves to be experts. Having your judgement and expertise consistently overruled is disheartening and you often end up just following instructions, sapping any joy from the (diminishing and cheaper) role. I started my web business 25 years ago. 5ish years ago I started photographing and filming travel content, primar…

No. It's that the job to be done is to sell product. Not build a handcrafted website. Not build a beautiful website. Provide something that markets and sells something to customers. And with that perspective, the client really does know better. The web is ephemeral. Will it even still exist in twenty five years after AI provides all the answers and connections (all we use the web for anyway)?

You're not wrong.

That is what the web has become. A platform to selling products.

But why did it have to be so? Why couldn't it also have been a medium for expressing beauty?

It still HOSTS a lot of art - art in the form of images.

But the number of truly beautiful artistic WEBSITES - in CSS, HTML, etc, are few and far between.

Hell, I remember the heyday of Flash - before Apple smothered it. There were some INCREDIBLY gorgeous websites with absolutely incredible animations and visuals.

Of course they were dogshit for accessibility, discoverability, information presentation, etc. Not to mention the apalling security/performance of Flash. So I don't wish the whole web was like that.

But we did lose something.

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Post by falsaberN1 »

ngngngng wrote: post #662
falsaberN1 wrote: post #207

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No, there was no empathy for them. And I feel there's no real empathy for artists, either. Before the eeeevil robot came to be, no one gave much of a damn about artists or their opinion. Suddenly we are instrumental to humanity's culture, but people is too busy spreading hatred to listen to any artists that aren't in agreement, what makes me feel it's less about being an artist and more about being emotionally-charge…

> if an artist can be replaced by it, maybe that artist deserves it. I say this as an artist, 36 years of experience. This is such an insane take to me at this point. I've used a few of the AI art generators and there is close to zero chance I will ever hire an artist or a graphic designer again (yes, I've hired artists). I've seen the shortcomings, and sure a very expensive artist can fulfill my needs at an A+ level…

I am not talking about GPT and LLM models. I have no opinion on those. I have an opinion on art because it's something I know intimately. Art is a form of expression available to all, it's not just art for business or commission. That only the business side of art is being discussed is ignoring what art actually means. Not everything is business, and I loathe "time is money" kinda worldviews, honestly.

I'm already able to create excellent models of any subject I desire in 15-45 minutes, with remarkable quality aside from bad hands, and usable forever once trained, then how come I'm still drawing? (more than usual, in fact)

Understand that and you'll understand my argument.

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Post by NhanH »

maxdoop wrote: post #488
NhanH wrote: post #467

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I understand your points, but what I wanted to highlight was something slightly different: verbal communication and dialogs should still consists of magnitude more human conversation than text, or presentation, or basically anything digital.

Apologies, I’m maybe low on coffee this morning. Do you mean things like tone, facial expression, the general “energy” around a conversation, etc?

It's simpler even: there are conversations that are straight up never happen in writings. So by training only on written text, you will never got those conversations. For example: teacher - student conversation where one side is confused and need to be explained, or many kind of debates and discussions where there is no end conclusion.

Basically, pick a random human from the street and they would be talking and listening a lot more than they would be writing. Those talking and listening is never going to be captured by any digital system.

It might end up that written text has enough similarity with verbal communication that it doesn't matter anyway. But that's hard to guess as a priori that it would be the case.

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Post by [deleted] »

nbzso wrote: post #672
falsaberN1 wrote: post #638

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"Trained on stolen data" This is emotionally charged wording with a clear confrontational bias and a dark intent to discredit. As someone with over 30 years of experience with art and artists, do you realize how many influences are present in any given artist? Do you know how many artists use "reference images" heavily? Do you know how many artists trace images (specially in 3D modeling)? By your logic, every piece o…

Sorry, the idea that artists are synthesizers of the past art is ludicrous. The human is not the machine. There are a billion factors for interpretation in creating a personal style. The A.I. image generators are just machines which produce average from all previous artists. They have no personality or agency (yet). > Stable Diffusion trained its algorithm on data sets collected by the German nonprofit LAION, which h…

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