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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by favflam »

jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

In Dune and Terminator, AI killed almost everyone. So, AI was eventually banned.

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Post by dweinus »

bbor wrote: post #479
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Can anyone link a credible expert who thinks that LLMs could ever evolve into AGI? Every single source I’ve read said that while LLMs are competent at language and certain tasks, they are conceptually completely distinct from the basic components of an AGI. For example, they lack structured knowledge and metacognition.

Here's the thing: you don't need AGI to have an alignment problem. It is predicting text, which is surprisingly closely aligned in most cases, but can fail spectacularly. As it becomes more capable and people give it more real-world responsibility, the blast radius for its mistakes increases. That might not be an AGI-level problem, but it is still a big problem.

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Post by bobsil1 »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

Googleplex → Google Parc

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

yunohn wrote: post #521
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ~$0.03 per query if you were to buy the compute from AWS/Azure. If you own the datacenters it's probably more around $0.0003, perhaps less.

> average is probably single-digits cents per chat; trying to figure out more precisely and also how we can optimize it - Sam Altman https://twitter.com/sama/status/1599671496636780546

At that point, December 5th, 2022, they were still a somewhat regular Azure user. The $10 billion deal from Microsoft came a month later, January 10th, 2023.

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Post by bobsil1 »

NovaPenguin wrote: post #542
peanuty1 wrote: post #443

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The Innovator's Dilemma. Presumably, Google didn't want to cannibalize their cash cow (Google search) because they don't know if LLM chatbots can be monetized as effectively.

Something that I always admired about Apple (at least in the past) was that they were willing to make old stuff obsolete even when it was wildly successful. iPhone killing iPod is a great example of this.

They were already under competitive pressure. I bought a candy bar Sony phone with built-in MP3 player app before the iPhone.

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Post by kevinmrose »

fswd wrote: post #554
zone411 wrote: post #159

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Google definitely made a strategic mistake by being slow to react and only taking action late. But Bing only has a limited period of time before Google catches up, and it doesn't seem like it will be enough to take away significant marketshare.

It's even worse than this. Google's entire business was based on the browser search model. You want to know something, you opened your browser, then 100% of the time went to "google.com", searched, scroll,scroll,scroll,click and get a reward with your answer while seeing ads. Which pretty much describes a dopamine feedback loop. The problem isn't that they don't have a ChatGPT ready (they do -- and it's probably bett…

>How are you going to sell ads to that?

I'm reluctant to type this, but there's definitely a few ways they can monetize the experience. Just look at how some other companies have monetized their users:

- Roll a video ad inside of a modal popup before showing you the result of your query/question.

- Give users a number of free queries/day, then prompt them to pay a subscription fee for "unlimited" queries.

I'm sure they'll find a way. You might not like it, but they'll figure it out.

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Post by vitorgrs »

d0tn3t wrote: post #195

Innovators dilemma at play. - Google look at LLM through the lens of advertising. - Microsoft look at LLM through the lens of browser and search competition. The launch strategy might indicate that Cortana has an even worse market share than Bing, even though it is better form factor for ChatGPT integration. Curious what others think.

Cortana is dead, though. So makes no sense to implement in a product that doesn't exist anymore.

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Post by nyberg »

Grum9 wrote: post #662
qwertox wrote: post #608

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"Join the waiting list" is what turned me off. I'm already trying hard enough to use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account (local only) so that I'm definitely not signing into Bing on Edge. Next step they'll require me to link the OS to it.

I recently setup a new laptop for someone with windows 11 and was surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff. The wifi was on when I hit the account setup part, I didnt want to make an account for someone else (name an email and password for someone else, what a mess, no thanks), so I powered the router down. The account screen didnt seem to give any options at all to work around it and make a l…

It's interesting how this has now become the norm where users accept such treatment without question and propose "quick workarounds" so they can continue using abusive software.

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Post by Dalewyn »

medion wrote: post #651
Dalewyn wrote: post #449

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If websites don't want their content republished, they should use appropriate licenses restricting such uses. For example, Wikipedia licenses all encyclopedic text under CC BY-SA 3.0[1] and GFDL[2], both of which permit free-as-in-libre redistribution. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free...

But GPT’s can restructure copyrighted text to make it different enough for it not to be direct theft. It won’t be long till you can get an entire book, feed it in and prompt it to regenerate the book in a different style. Then what happens? Or what about taking books out of copyright, then prompting regeneration in a different style with a slightly modified plot?

If you can prove there was a source and that source was used without appropriate licensing, that is a valid case of copyright infringement and possibly even IP theft.

We really need to stop muddying the water surrounding "AI" and their use of source materials. Those so-called "AIs" are just software like any other program, they are tools like any other computer application, and the copyright and licensing legal precedences that apply to software apply to them.

Obligatory IANAL.

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Post by fooker »

WorldMaker wrote: post #660
habith wrote: post #649

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Gecko and SpiderMonkey still exist, despite all of the terrible Blink/V8-only implementations out there…

Unfortunately, Firefox at this point looks like an incredible underdog or an endangered species.

That can be attributed to the Mozilla Foundation doing anything and everything other than focusing on Firefox.
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