LLMs provide a brilliant opportunity for search engines to justify a paid tier for search. Would you pay $20/mo for a better Google Search? ChatGPT already is. Ad revenue is dead, long live subscription revenue.
Bard and new AI features in Search
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#702Instead of panicking and trying to clone the UX of a popular competitor, they should go directly to conquer and secure the next stage and logical evolution of the AI hype... HCI via voice, improving Google Assistant once and for all.
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Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
The motivation for writing a blog post may be the same as when blogoslhere originally started - for your community to read it.
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It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web, that you still haven't defined explicitly. Let's try: Is the web a consumer product that runs on the internet?
> It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web What's niche about websites? Leaving aside the snarky tone, I'll give you an example of how MS has continuously botched their web work for 20 years. If I go on Bing Maps (which I'm actually using on one of my pet projects on account of their permissive licensing) and I type in my Bucharest street address the auto-completion thing works fine, which is a plus (Appl…
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#705> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…
Yeah, remember Google+? they tried very hard and resorted to very intrusive UX patterns, but they ultimately failed.
IMO this is similar, ChatGPT has a huge head start, and Google needs to do A LOT of work.
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Yes, but will their revenue survive flipping that switch or will that kill the golden Adsense goose?
Fair question. Depending on how slimy they’re willing to be I’d argue there’s even more scope to push ads when “advising” user through a grey area vs straight up keyword search. Think going several steps ahead of initial q, increased trust and reliance on responses, multiple follow up questions with more ads etc. I’m just envisaging this based on my time with ChatGPT these last few weeks.
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They don't need to solve that problem. Lots of things cannabilise on others without needing to pay them back to be viable. Wikipedia is really just a collection of sources, summarized. It owes nothing to the authors of the source material and does not seek to redress the balance. Google is a sophisticated filter for sources, it doesn't need to pay anything back to them to provide value for the searcher. Same with cha…
> Wikipedia is really just a collection of sources, summarized. It owes nothing to the authors of the source material And yet it provides references and attribution where possible most of the time.
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Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
All these conversations have one glaring omission. As it stands right now, ChatGPT is a net negative on the ecosystem it exists in. What does that mean? ChatGPT extracts value from the ecosystem by hoovering up primary sources to provide answers, but what value does ChatGPT give back to these primary sources? What incentivizes content creators to continue producing for ChatGPT? Right now, nothing. ChatGPT (or its des…
Yes, maybe some content dries up -- no more stock photo sites -- but entirely unclear how important and they can wait to see how zombie companies adjust. Ex: ChatGPT encourages us to put more api docs online, not less.
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Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
The point about the economics of running these models is an important one that slides under the radar a lot of times. The training costs for large language models like GPT are enormous, and the inference costs are substantial too. Right now things like ChatGPT are very cool parlor tricks, but there's absolutely no way to justify them in terms of the economics of running the service today. Obviously this is all going…
A decent chunk of the tech community can already run smaller T5 Flan models or the 6B EleutherAI LLM GPT-J (and the likely similarly sized upcoming Open Assistant) on their own machines, at decent inference speed (What happens when models are updated every day automatically and you can run all your search and answer tasks on your local machine?
With GPT-J - which is unreliable and aging now - I can already learn core intro to psychology topics more accurately/faster than with google or wikipedia, and I can do that offline. That's a cherry picked use case, but imagine the future.
Why would you use something that has ads when you can run it locally, and perhaps even augment it with your documents/files?
In the end game this is where Google is in the same place as Kodak in my opinion right now. Sure it's $0.01 or more a search for OpenAI now, but it won't stay that way (they reduced prices by 66% half a year ago), and at that rate you can already make the unit economics work anyhow as a startup.