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I think that mindset is incredibly flawed and toxic to a healthy society? Who is to say who is right here?
Me. I’m right, because I’m at the centre of the Totality of Reality
I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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Your piece addresses what you claim to be a basic "unfairness": You (if it's really you) say someone "didn't treat me as a friend". Most of the comments are reflecting on whether it really was or wasn't unfair. So I'd say it's also an interesting worldview that you make a claim about fairness and then dismissed any conversation about fairness (the topic _you brought up_) with a glib statement asserting that anyone wh…
The Hacker News comment fills in a missing piece for me: why did Carl lose his shit on him? That part was just a one sided story so there were gaps for me. Seeing how he speaks to a new community made it all crystal clear. I’ve encountered that type of demeanor quite often, which is burying nonetheless-obvious and heaping contempt under “it was particularly enjoyable” smarm and a fake smile. Even if unintended, wow,…
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What other profession expects to be paid for producing work and expects to keep the result of the work? The guy got £20,000 for some pages of babel. He should be elated.
> What other profession expects to be paid for producing work and expects to keep the result of the work? The definition of “keep” in that sentence is the principal question of copyright, isn’t? That is to say, if I produce a physical object at someone’s behest, I have to completely give up on the result in order for them to have unrestricted use of it, for reasons of physics. There are no such reasons for texts, com…
I think a lot of people here are probably used to consulting/contracting being somewhat extended work towards completing a work order.
But there is definitely a lot of consulting where you're working more or less full-time to stay current, market yourself, etc. and when you do get work the day rate may be eye-watering--but those jobs may be short and/or infrequent.
When I was an industry analyst, in addition to our regular subscription clients, we did present at company events, did a la carte consulting days, and things like that for which we got about $10K per day. But we didn't have a lot of those.
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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> No, and I feel like he made it extremely clear that this story is not really about money and his feelings are not driven by a lack of royalties. If it wasn't about money, than what was it about? "Fairness"? So money?
Yeah fairness, emotions, recognition, his own flaws and failures, and his general outlook on life. It's not about contract law or conflict with Mojang or Microsoft, it's just a story about his feelings.
> it's just a story about his feelings.
Oh I'm sure. But feelings and money aren't mutually exclusive. Why do you think he posts donation links under the heading "THIS IS WHERE YOU GET TO SAVE MY LIFE"?
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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> There are cultures in the world where the babysitter would expect to share in your windfall and everyone would think it a perfectly reasonable thing. Which cultures do you have in mind?
I'm thinking of personal experience in sub-Saharan Africa. But really, most cultures are less individualistic then the west and have different ideas about the obligations of individuals to the group. I'm not saying one way or the other is right or wrong and that's the point. What's right is "obvious" in one culture and may well be outright wrong in another. Our ideas here should be challenged and tested and not merel…
Just curious, what brought you to sub-Saharan Africa? Are you from there or was it missionary work? How is it less individualistic than the west?
Sorry if this comment is a little nosy, just curious about the different culture
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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Agreed. This whole comment thread is making me feel more negative about HN than I have before.
I'm actually kind of shocked at the majority reaction here. I can relate in many ways to the author and can feel his struggle through the story. I empathize even though I can see where the mistakes were made. I figure we just have a lot of Carls in here. There's always been a very business-oriented culture here: people are looking for success in their careers and monetary success is a big part of it. Contracts and IP…
It's actually pretty hilarious when you put it like that. Oh, you are insisting there are no bad guys and you refuse to make a bad guy? OK, then YOU are the bad guy! For... having feelings. Bad feelings you should feel ashamed for having. Or at least keep them to yourself for god's sake! Teach you to have feelings but still decide there are no bad guys! There's ALWAYS a bad guy if there are Feelings!
But yeah I'm shocked too, not what I would have expected from an HN comment thread. Maybe if he had been a coder instead of an author? I mean, HN threads reliably are on the side of coders who release their code open source but then have that code used by someone else to make billions, thinking they have the right to be mad and deserve a cut despite literally putting an open source license on it saying otherwise! (which this guy didn't do... until now) I really don't know what's going on.
Are people actually not mad that this guy was (at points in his life) upset he didn't get a cut, but actually mad that he released his thing CC0 in the end instead of trying to get a cut? Because he didn't do a good enough job of getting a cut, and has only himself to blame for that, and should be blamed for it? But I don't want to assume people mean something different than what they say, when they say they are actually mad at him for having the temerity to have feelings about not getting a cut. I'm just bewildered.
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
#707The text is whatever, but deciding to put an end into Minecraft shows that notch didn't really get it
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
#708I'd like to think I'd be grateful for having helped put something into a famous game, and not get wrapped up in money. Honestly, I'd probably be bitter too.
The thing is, just because he (or myself) would be bitter, does not make the bitterness right. It doesn't make it sensible, and it absolutely does not make any part of this a good move. Burning bridges as publically as possible, over what is almost certainly going to be your most well known piece of work for the rest of your entire professional career, is not going to win you any friends. It will make people see you as a backstabber (which you are), a bitter, money-hungry person (which you are), and someone who is willing to try and hurt the public credibility of others, in order to enact some petty revenge (which you have done).
No part of this is good. No part of this is right. "Giving the story" to the public in some nebulous gesture of posterity does not absolve any of what has been done. Instead, it taints the only thing you had invested into the project - the only claim you had.
Again, I'd probably be upset over this too. I might even have attempted to do something similar. Knowing that, however, does not excuse the action. It does not change right and wrong. This is wrong.
I wish this person luck, and more importantly, the opportunity to learn from this error-upon-error that they have stacked on their own shoulders, and branded to their name.
To put it simply: It is not worth throwing away public perception and credibility in hopes of receiving financial gain, regardless of how validated or "wronged" you might feel in your own egocentrism.
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
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> Nope this guy agreed to it in email. Can you quote the bit of the article which says that? All I can see is that he said "ok, what's your offer?", Carl returned with "€20k", and "in all the confusion someone sent me the money, even though we still didn’t have a contract worked out " - no contract, no license.
“and so I said, OK, I’ll take whatever the first thing you offered was.” Edit: I’m rate limited, but Microsoft doesn’t need a transfer. They bought the entire company. Just like you buying some shares on the stock exchange, except they bought all of the shares in a private transaction. Had they done an asset purchase instead, your point might be valid.
nice try mr Microsoft lawyer.
he smartly follows the line you quoted out of context with "and even that they didn't deliver" or something.
so, no contract, an email agreement which was never fullfilled.
man, be happy this guys is a spineless hippie or you would be working overtime and still paying a deal.
Re: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you
#710Although I don't really like the ending text for Minecraft at all (and think the author is really too pretentious and self-centered), I like how this blog post reveals himself as an artist with human flaws. He kinda (but not fully) admits that he had a parasocial relationship with Notch and really though he cared about him (although for Notch the author was probably just a random contactor who would fill the writing…
While I do agree with you overall, I think the author was right to assume that the non-skip feature was meant to appreciate his result. And calling it poorly-written is uncalled for, I think.
> And calling it poorly-written is uncalled for, I think.
It was quite clearly phrased that the person thought it as poorly written. That’s their opinion and they are allowed to have it. Criticizing someone for sharing their opinion is what is uncalled for.