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Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Climate Change has been a regular constant since there was a climate

You should be intelligent enough to make the right assumption of what I'm referencing. If you don't believe in human made climate change pls say so directly so I can ignore you

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing it a lot already, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we have to ban such accounts.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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I rethought my reaction to Google IO conference: I found it boring because they showed things which do not have an impact on me. Like 'taking better pictures when you a person of non white color's but that's the wrong attitude. They solve great issues like this and I'm probably more underwhelmed that we even had to fix something like this because it wasn't really solved before. Let's see if/when we get a more stable…

Climate Change has been a regular constant since there was a climate

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we have to ban such accounts.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Climate Change has been a regular constant since there was a climate

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we have to ban such accounts. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Good point, it would not be the world. In short, the free countries of the world will come together to protect a democracy from tyranny. Yes, this is imperfect, lots of small countries were not protected, we protect the "good ones" which is unfairly decided. The democratic countries will come together, the same ones that helped Ukraine; delete from that list authoritarian (democratic or not) countries, and democracie…

So you agree that China at least has a good chance of winning this war conventionally, and will not have to “immediately use the "do what we say or we'll nuke you"” nuclear threat? That’s my point here, I am not really interested in discussing moralistic platitudes as to how “free” and “democratic” just happen to exactly coincide with the countries of the western alliance.

Sure, there's always a chance, and China's chance is better than Russia's. There's a chance the other great power authoritarian country with a lack of freedom, Russia, could beat Ukraine, even without using nukes.

When people don't like to discuss what they call platitudes is because they will not benefit. The US has endless problems, with 400+ years of racism, slavery, denial of institutional racism, then our destruction and the big lie about Iraq, and finally Afghanistan had a different situation but still managed to screw that up. My friend who recently moved back to Taiwan to retire will probably also have an interesting viewpoint on such things. "Please don't kill me, China" might describe his views. He thinks (hopes?) there won't be a war because the west will help protect Taiwan.

Edit - the us has a lot more years than 200 of racism, updated that comment.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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That was an interesting idea about TSMC's influence. But the fact that there should be two separate Chinas has only become more clear each year to me, with Taiwan's increasingly democratic and successful democracy (and China's every more authoritarian and dangerous behavior). I've thought that for 30 years should be the policy, and I'm just an average US person.

Apparently you don't know what the ROC is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33256578 so maybe your opinion on this topic shouldn't count; you're just repeating things you've heard that you don't understand.

The pointless nuanced arguments about Taiwan claiming to still be the real China and mainland China also claiming the same and the US saying officially we see there will be one China seem pointless to me - I'm sure some people care. The reality of the ground and the likely future attack from China to Taiwan is what I care more about. Please don't tell me what to do.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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>>>Why is this obviously incorrect statement that can be easily disproved by just checking the map is being repeated again and again on HN? Can you list the other warm-water ports used by the Russian Navy? Here's a paper on the subject from the Air Force Journal on European, Middle Eastern, and African Affairs: https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/JEMEAA/Journals/... >>>It is only second in popularity to "Russ…

> Can you list the other warm-water ports used by the Russian Navy? OP didn't say anything about Russian Navy specifically. However, do you suggest that Russian Navy couldn't use Novorossiysk for military purpose if need be? > While technically true, there is a big difference between the Estonian/Latvian border, and the Ukrainian one. I discussed this 7 months ago Well, Russia is now getting additional 1,340 km borde…

>>>OP didn't say anything about Russian Navy specifically.

To discuss options for Russia's future without the specific context of its national security interests is meaningless when the country's decision-makers are almost entirely from said national security apparatus.

>>>However, do you suggest that Russian Navy couldn't use Novorossiysk for military purpose if need be?

This 2013 report suggests that Sevastopol has superior all-weather access compared to Novorossiysk: [1] I'm not familiar enough with the meteorology of the region to articulate why. They probably could switch to the Caucasian coastline as a fallback plan, but I'm sure Russia looks at the problem from the lens of "we're a nuclear-armed Great Power, why the fuck would we compromise on this?" Sevastopol definitely provides better power projection across the whole Black Sea. [2]

>>>Well, Russia is now getting additional 1,340 km border with a new NATO member (real, not imaginary one like Ukraine) and is apparently completely unfazed by it.

I think they were completely blindsided by Finland abandoning its long-standing neutrality, and have very few tools in their toolbox to leverage. While the Finnish border threatens their access to the North Sea, it poses less of a risk to Moscow than the Ukrainian border does. If you wanted to take Moscow from Finland, you need to secure the M-11 highway as an MSR....which means you have to secure St. Petersburg (good luck storming a city of 5 million+) or bypass the metro area and leave your supply line exposed. Russia is moving conventional combat power from the North, just as Russia is moving conventional combat power from everywhere into the Ukraine wood-chipper. They've also stepped up rotations of nuclear-capable strategic bombers in the north as a compromise to signal "don't try anything stupid up here, we've got nukes!" Of course the Finnish Air Force is rather large and capable, so I'm not sure how credible that threat is. Overall I now rank Putin pushing Finland & Sweden into NATO as the greatest geopolitical failure of the 21st century, dethroning the invasion of Iraq. Interestingly, Stalin made some similar blunders in the late 1940s/early 1950s against the West.[3]

>>>Really makes you think whether they were really worried about spooky-scary NATO or pursuing some other goal in Ukraine all along...

Even when Putin had Ukraine as a borderline vassal state they were bitching about NATO expansion in their near abroad. Some of these arguments were made in the US Congress before Putin even came to power. [4] In particular, skip to the comments by Jonathan Dean and Michael Mandelbaum.

>>>this is not WW2, nobody is tank-rushing capital of nuclear superpower via highways lol.

It doesn't matter what you or I think about tank rushes, what matters is what the Russians think about tank rushes. [5] In case you missed it, they initiated this invasion with a multi-axis armored blitz towards Kiev combined with an air assault to secure a nearby Aerial Point of Debarkation. The Russian military establishment has maintained that the offensive is the key aspect of warfare, and that the tank is the key component of the offensive, since the 1930s. Their current military thought leaders also place a priority on "active defense" aka preemptive elimination of threats. [6]

The qualifier "of a nuclear superpower" doesn't add much to the conversation. Of the major nuclear powers, only India has a capital closer to an adversarial border than Russia (I don't count Pakistan or Israel as "superpowers")....and India maintains an exceptionally large tank fleet, and has fought some of the largest post-WW2 tank engagements between their capital and their border with Pakistan.

>>>you seem to be awfully poorly informed about European history

Pretty sure ad hominems are against HN guidelines, but since you wanna go there...

>>> USSR _were_ part of the alliance

Oh? What "alliance" was that, specifically? As always, the devil is in the details. There were only two signatories to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact: the Soviet Union and Germany. The Soviets had a bilateral agreement for the partition of Eastern Europe. That made them "co-belligerents", not "allies". They never signed any treaty with the Axis at large (for example, the Pact of Steel or the Tripartite Pact). They submitted a revised proposal for joining the Tripartite Pact to Germany which was quietly ignored as preparations for Operation Barbarossa were already underway. At no point in time was the USSR allied with Italy, Romania (14 divisions, almost 10% of the invading forces), Slovakia, Finland, or Hungary. There is one thing we can agree on: the Soviets absolutely miscalculated....when they took their Western neighbor at his word that he would adhere to the Non-Aggression Pact that they had signed.[7][8][9][10] And you wonder why the Russians have no desire to repeat that mistake, when we tell them NATO isn't a threat?

TL;DR = Read more. Condescend less.

[1] https://jamestown.org/program/the-future-of-the-russian-blac...

[2] https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2022-04-27-from-sevastopol...

[3] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/media/docum...

[4] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-105shrg46832/html/C...

[5] https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/04/...

[6] https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc-g2/fmso/m/fmso-monograp...

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-belligerence#Germany_and_th... [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact#Soviet_Union [10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa#Order_of_...

EDIT: forgot these two additional general resources on understanding Russian national security thought:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

https://csl.armywarcollege.edu/usacsl/publications/RUSSIAN%2...

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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You don't understand, the hardware we got 2017-2019 is peak forever. M1-2 are brittle and controlled, the opposite of open/repairable etc. ARM, Atom, Xeon from this period can last 100 years. If you don't have this hardware, you'll get something that will last max 10 years. USA has banned China from manufacturing without having a replacement.

Have you even tried an M1/M2 based computer? Its like when I moved from HDD to SSD, an unbelievable revolution in performance and snappiness. >M1-2 are brittle and controlled, the opposite of open/repairable etc. We have reached the point where we cannot have removable ram for technical reasons. M chips get a a lot of their performance from excellent memory bandwidth. Move on from this thought process. The software i…

Raspberry 4 has 2Gflops/W on 28nm where M1 has 2.5 on 5!!!

There wont be a next paradigm shift.

DRR3 > DDR4 > DDR 5 > DDR6 in latency.

Multicore is leveraged fully, it's the end of electric transistors.

Memory has been slower than the CPU for 30 years! L1, L2, L3 only works around the problem, it does not solve the problem!

You don't understand that SSDs peaked in 2011 when it comes to longevity at 60nm with 100.000 writes per bit.

SATA chipsets/drivers offload the IO more than PCI-e which uses the CPU to buffer.

Older is now better than new.

It's over and when you are trying to get a new laptop in a few years (because your M1 broke) and they will cost $10.000 and break in 2 years and you have to pay $100/month to be able to access/develop on it. You'll remember me.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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The only thing this wikipedia page shows is that the Ukraine is an unreliable transit country stealing gas intended for the Europe.

So is Poland, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamal%E2%80%93Europe_pipeline#...

What do you mean specifically?

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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> Can you list the other warm-water ports used by the Russian Navy? OP didn't say anything about Russian Navy specifically. However, do you suggest that Russian Navy couldn't use Novorossiysk for military purpose if need be? > While technically true, there is a big difference between the Estonian/Latvian border, and the Ukrainian one. I discussed this 7 months ago Well, Russia is now getting additional 1,340 km borde…

>>>OP didn't say anything about Russian Navy specifically. To discuss options for Russia's future without the specific context of its national security interests is meaningless when the country's decision-makers are almost entirely from said national security apparatus. >>>However, do you suggest that Russian Navy couldn't use Novorossiysk for military purpose if need be? This 2013 report suggests that Sevastopol has…

> This 2013 report suggests that Sevastopol has superior all-weather access compared to Novorossiysk: [1] I'm not familiar enough with the meteorology of the region to articulate why. They probably could switch to the Caucasian coastline as a fallback plan, but I'm sure Russia looks at the problem from the lens of "we're a nuclear-armed Great Power, why the fuck would we compromise on this?" Sevastopol definitely provides better power projection across the whole Black Sea. [2]

You are moving the goalposts again. OP stated that Russia don't have any warmwater ports outside Crimea which is obviously incorrect.

> I think they were completely blindsided by Finland abandoning its long-standing neutrality, and have very few tools in their toolbox to leverage.

They could sign a peace agreement with Ukraine and quickly move their armies north no attack Finland, no? I mean, if Russia _really_ considered having (more?) borders with a NATO-member an existential threat (like they always pretend when discussing Ukraine in that context), then that would make total sense.

> Even when Putin had Ukraine as a borderline vassal state they were bitching about NATO expansion in their near abroad. Some of these arguments were made in the US Congress before Putin even came to power. [4] In particular, skip to the comments by Jonathan Dean and Michael Mandelbaum.

Well, Ukraine offered to commit to neutrality multiple times during peace negotiations in February and March, but Russia rejected the proposals and proceed with annexing more Ukrainian lands. Isn't it by now settled that they were just using NATO boogieman as a pretext for trying to (re)build their empire?

> It doesn't matter what you or I think about tank rushes, what matters is what the Russians think about tank rushes. [5] In case you missed it, they initiated this invasion with a multi-axis armored blitz towards Kiev combined with an air assault to secure a nearby Aerial Point of Debarkation.

Which failed spectacularly and kinda proves my point?

Also, they assumed that after initial missile barrage on Ukraine military assets they will achieve complete air superiority which didn't happen. I don't think anyone expects NATO to quickly achieve air superiority in Russian airspace, including Russia's own military analysts.

> The qualifier "of a nuclear superpower" doesn't add much to the conversation.

Of course it does! Russian nuclear doctrine permits them to conduct the first strike when "existence of Russian state is in danger", so they will most likely just tactical nuke the shit out of (hypothetical) NATO grouping on their border that is in the process of assuming attack formations. This also coincides nicely with their "escalate to de-escalate" playbook.

> Of the major nuclear powers, only India has a capital closer to an adversarial border than Russia (I don't count Pakistan or Israel as "superpowers")....and India maintains an exceptionally large tank fleet, and has fought some of the largest post-WW2 tank engagements between their capital and their border with Pakistan.

I have no knowledge of India's or Pakistan's nuclear doctrines. Do they permit first strike?

> Pretty sure ad hominems are against HN guidelines, but since you wanna go there...

Where is ad hominem exactly? Your portrayal of the start of WW2 makes you look on either misinformed or malicious (more on your talking points later). The fact that in next paragraph you are seemingly making U-turn on that doesn't change the formulation of your previous message.

> Oh? What "alliance" was that, specifically? As always, the devil is in the details. There were only two signatories to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact: the Soviet Union and Germany. The Soviets had a bilateral agreement for the partition of Eastern Europe. That made them "co-belligerents", not "allies". They never signed any treaty with the Axis at large (for example, the Pact of Steel or the Tripartite Pact). They submitted a revised proposal for joining the Tripartite Pact to Germany which was quietly ignored as preparations for Operation Barbarossa were already underway. At no point in time was the USSR allied with Italy, Romania (14 divisions, almost 10% of the invading forces), Slovakia, Finland, or Hungary.

You are arguing semantics here (co-belligerent vs ally, etc.) while seemingly agreeing with me that USSR was one of the states that started the whole WW2 on the side of "evil western allies".

> TL;DR = Read more. Condescend less.

Well, you keep repeating Russian propaganda talking points and make it look like they were just peacefully minding their own business in thirties and then sneaky westerners cowardly back-stabbed them in forties. This is one of their favorite tropes how the whole world is against them and keep trying to either attack or contain them for no reason what-so-ever besides maybe some ingrained "russophobia". The very existence of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact secret protocols was denied by soviets for longest time BTW.

These details, your comment history, repeatedly calling Kyiv "Kiev" and doubling down on describing Russian invasion in Ukraine as completely self-defensive measure against menacing NATO expansion makes me doubt you are arguing in good faith here, but calling someone a paid shill will indeed be against HN rules...

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