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What has “urban” to do with it?
There are more urban teachers than rural. And pay is more for urban than rural.
True but rarely more than the difference in cost of living.
Nobody wants to teach anymore
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a finite amount of tax money available, so disproportionately allotment to a few special children effectively robs the other children of resources.
Yes, disabilities are expensive to accommodate. That’s why we have laws like the ADA. Because when given the option to disregard the disabled, many will choose do so. This in turn leads to building a society in which the disabled are discarded as an inconvenience to society, rather than as people with equal rights to public accommodation.
>discarded
If I give Johnny, Jimmy, and Karen an equal investment of $20 and 20 hours of labor each for their education, I haven't "discarded" Karen, even if she needs more money and more time to get the same equality of outcome. In the same vein, I don't at all want to "discard" special ed children, I just want any public funds provided to the other children to be a nearly equal monetary investment.
>That’s why we have laws like the ADA
The period after passing of the ADA was associated with sharp drops in employment inclusion of the disabled [0]. The ADA may have actually been one of the biggest drivers of the discarding of the disabled. Not only that, the ADA encouraged racketeering against business owners for disingenuous accommodation complaints (someone off the street runs up, asked to use your bathroom, you allow the public to use it just this once and bam ADA complaint as they were secretly working for a lawyer checking for the "right" kind of grab bar) where businesses sometimes end up closing accommodations to the public. Personally I am heavily against the ADA as I believe eliminating these "protections" helps protect the disabled's inclusion within society.
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A lot of Western non-US countries honestly don’t have a lot of attractive private sector businesses. Small nations with strong public education are very unique. For example Norway only has 5 million citizens, extremely low immigration, a mono-culture and mono-ethnicity, and earns a huge amount of money from selling fossil fuels which are then funneled to public use. Yet the left in America pretends the Nordic model c…
Re: Teaching in Norway https://rebekahjbuchanan.com/2018/10/21/teaching-in-norway The environment Rebekah describes seems like a modern US tech business. Everyone is expected to be where they're needed, treat each other with respect and focus on their work. Sometimes I wonder why successful businesses can create the environment schools can't and then remind myself that businesses (and private schools) can easily excl…
Or perhaps if we had the demographics of Norway our schools would be vastly better in every single category except “diversity”.
Like it or not students are not born genetically equal. Throw in poverty and lack of effective parenting and there’s no hope that endless funding will somehow fix that situation.
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#704I tried teaching high school CS for the best part of two years in a private school. Everything to do with the pupils was amazing and I loved every moment. I am a natural with behaviour management and although it was stressful, every time the bad kids acted up it presented a teachable moment. You could really feel the impact on their lives and behaviour, well behind the Python and the TCP/IP and while loops. But every…
Your last paragraph reminds me of what my wife calls “one of your favorite sayings.”
“It’s difficult to respect someone that doesn’t respect themselves.”
Of course that doesn’t mean treat people in a disrespectful manner, but I don’t understand why anyone would wish to be a teacher in the US.
It’s not a pleasant experience. And the money isn’t enough for most people.
Education is a bit like healthcare. If you want to make money in healthcare, you don’t become a doctor. You become an administrator. Same goes for education.
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#705A reasonably prolific teacher Quoran on this topic: https://www.quora.com/The-number-of-public-teachers-in-the-U...
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> Source? For example the Wall Street Journal. And hundreds of similar articles. https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-california-2-2-4-may-be-thou... > This is such a wild claim it has to be made up. This is against the site's rules. > I'm personally hard pressed to find that one person tweeting means that all math teachers everywhere Funny how you build up a straw man. I never claimed any of that.
> This is against the site's rules. I apologize, that was a knee jerk reaction because I've never seen the assertion that 2+2=4 is racist before, only that math can be used inaccurately (purposefully or by accident) in racial contexts. I was a bit taken aback by the assertion and should have engaged differently. > Funny how you build up a straw man. I never claimed any of that. This isn't a straw man, I'm not buildin…
The vast majority of this does not belong in a math classroom. Math classrooms do not primarily cover the history or sociology of mathematics; they cover (or, at least, should cover) how to do algebra.
Perhaps those things could enrich curricula once students were actually being taught math, but schools fail at that. And some districts (e.g. SFUSD) have taken to banning the teaching of algebra in middle school because it's "inequitable."
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If you can get a job for $10/pupil/hour for 30 kids for 7 hours a day, go for it. ($2,100 per day) I don’t think that exists. So comparing babysitting for a few rich kids to teaching full time makes no sense.
This is effectively what is being allocated to the entire education system per pupil per hour.
Not to an individual to babysit. This includes all costs to provide education.
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> when accounting for benefits and pension That many teacher’s pensions require one to give up social security benefits makes the decision to teach more difficult, I would think, especially for those who are later in their working lives.
> That many teacher’s pensions require one to give up social security benefits Patently untrue unless maybe you work for the Dept of Defense or something. Teachers can collect SS like any other employee.
This depends on the state. For example, teachers in CA and TX aren't eligible for SS. https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/10/07/why-does-social-s...
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Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments.
>Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments. Not just "nowadays." I recall (I've looked around, but can't find it archived) an article from 2000 in the San Jose Mercury News about full-time public school teachers living in homeless shelters because they couldn't afford housing in San Jose. So, no. Not new. Still a big problem, but not a new one.
But that’s San Jose - I think we’re seeing the problem spread to more reaches of the US. For example, Savannah, GA is a mostly stagnant area with only 4,000 population growth since 2017 and not much job growth. Meanwhile, the average rent for a 2 bedroom was stuck under $1100 until 2018, and after Covid the expiration of the CDC moratorium enabled a rent boom to $1500. I can guarantee you income has not risen to match that, so anyone already in an apartment is simply dedicating more of their income to paying the rent.
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Yes, disabilities are expensive to accommodate. That’s why we have laws like the ADA. Because when given the option to disregard the disabled, many will choose do so. This in turn leads to building a society in which the disabled are discarded as an inconvenience to society, rather than as people with equal rights to public accommodation.
"expensive" but everything has a limit. Even losing a limb or an eye has a dollar cost associated with it, if you look in the right tables. Pretending that there is no limit, or that the choice is a binary "no limit" vs. "don't give a shit" is just not responsible.
I agree. The standard is not infinite accommodation but reasonable accommodations.