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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by itsgrimetime »

thekyle wrote: post #631

The way I see it is that the main difference between FANG and TikTok is that the FANG companies do not have any incentive to sow distrust and division in the United States through highly targeted propaganda, however, TikTok being effectively controlled by the CCP does.

> he main difference between FANG and TikTok is that the FANG companies do not have any incentive to sow distrust and division in the United States through highly targeted propaganda

I'm not sure I agree with that, maybe TT could have incentives to _actively_ sow distrust and division, but I think it's fair to say that FANG companies are doing this today, driven mostly by maximizing ad views & creating negative feedback loops where we get echo chambers

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by phpisthebest »

therealasdf wrote: post #143
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

Why do Americans think they represent the world? Your adversary is not our adversary.

Pretty sure the FCC is saying it should be removed from US App stores.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by nonrandomstring »

sp332 wrote: post #660
nonrandomstring wrote: post #159

This seems an intractable mess. - Our phone hardware and operating systems are intrinsically insecure. - There is no practical/effective data gathering regulation (and I'm not sure it's possible to craft any without destroying innovation) - All social media companies are doing it, leading to jeers of "hypocrisy!" - All governments play the same games, reducing the arguments to "Whose side are you on?" That's effectiv…

I disagree with weakening trademarks. It's important for people to know who made the stuff they're getting.

I agree with your argument, but not your conclusion. It is important for people to know who made the stuff they're getting. Signing code is a perfect example. Unfortunately I think "trademarks" are a 20th century idea. There are many ways of supporting authenticity of provenance that aren't easily corrupted and weaponised as a way to stymie competition.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Clubber »

phpisthebest wrote: post #700
cowtools wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA is a democracy. Arguing otherwise is the pot calling the kettle black.

The US is a Constitutional Republic, Arguing otherwise is showing ignorance of governmental structures.

A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. I'm amazed that it is still repeated 20 year later. Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by trasz »

least wrote: post #639
trasz wrote: post #564

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>United States, which is far more diverse than any other country in the world Here’s one fundamental problems with many Americans: they know nothing about outside world.

Name a more ethnically/racially diverse country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et...

Literally half of all the worlds countries is more diverse.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jazzyjackson »

bencollier49 wrote: post #431
jazzyjackson wrote: post #422

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off the top of my head, the response code from cache is simply 200 OK, is it not?

Interesting, I just looked and certainly in FF it now is. I have a distinct memory of locally cached files returning a 3xx in the past, though.

I think that would happen in combination with the remote server replying "304 Not Modified"

Now that you mentioned it tho, I'm not sure whether developer tools is showing me the ground truth, how does it give me 200 OK from cache without asking the remote whether the resource has changed? My memory agrees with you, something has changed in the matrix.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by trasz »

sgjohnson wrote: post #633
trasz wrote: post #415

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Most of those were merged into India, not invaded. The ones that were invaded resulted in minimal losses, in the order of hundreds. It also happened 60 years ago. Now compare this to Afghanistan.

> Now compare this to Afghanistan. The same Afghanistan that was invaded by the Soviet Union?

We are talking about India and China, not Soviet Union.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by phpisthebest »

Clubber wrote: post #704
phpisthebest wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is a Constitutional Republic, Arguing otherwise is showing ignorance of governmental structures.

A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. I'm amazed that it is still repeated 20 year later. Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

>> This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s.

Actually no, it comes from far earlier in our history that that, GOP may have had it has a talking point not sure, and dont really care, but the GOP is not the origination of this

>Saying the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic is like saying a car is not an automobile.

No, not all Republics are democratic, and not all Democracy's are republics.

The US has every very very limited elements that are democratic, and at our founding even less so then today. At the founding only the House was democratic everything else was not. IMO we need to go back to that, less democracy would be good

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by _-david-_ »

FpUser wrote: post #688
_-david-_ wrote: post #663

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When there are multiple major players conflicts between them often occur.

I appreciate your desire for the world to be ruled by the US. I do not think the rest of the world will agree. And if you enforce it using military means you are no better then the rest. Are you American by any chance?

I think if the choice is China or America, the majority of the world would choose America. America is less hostile to other countries than China.

Do you think the world would rather have China in charge?

I assume you are going to claim that we can either have no major power or that the EU could be that major power. I highly doubt either of those could occur.

I believe some wars can be just and as such enforcing things through the military can be just. The idea that military use has to be bad is ridiculous.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tylersmith »

phpisthebest wrote: post #700
cowtools wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA is a democracy. Arguing otherwise is the pot calling the kettle black.

The US is a Constitutional Republic, Arguing otherwise is showing ignorance of governmental structures.

There's a similar comment here that's dead. People love to complain about the US not being democratic, but when you point out that they're correct and the US is in fact not a democracy and not democratic it gets downvoted.
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