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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xigoi »

px43 wrote: post #646
mathogre wrote: post #584

Fuck YouTube. If they're going to control what news I get, I'll choose other than YouTube. I do not need them. I have read from both hard left and hard right, and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions about what makes sense. Let them play their games, whether silly or dangerous. I form my own opinions. Losers!

This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

Then why do they censor stupid bullshit only when it's right-wing?

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xigoi »

nebula8804 wrote: post #620
ayngg wrote: post #595

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Based on what I have seen and what I have heard people say, the principle of freedom of speech is probably dead in the west. People will give their sanctimonious justifications like "it only means the government can't censor not us," "it's freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences," or misuse quotes like Popper's intolerance towards intolerance, or Schenck v. United States's yelling fire in a theater, but in r…

> as if it had not been attempted numerous times only to be censored off every hosting/ payment/ app platforms Was this really something that stopped any of the services? >or hacked to have all the personal information of their users doxxed because they had "bad opinions." Come on this is not fair. This was caused by these services choosing to hire low skilled developers. The guy building Parler didn't even understan…

> These platforms need to welcome the other side then, the ones doing the censoring.

Everyone is welcome, the ones doing the censoring just don't want to go there because they're happy in their cesspool.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xigoi »

yibg wrote: post #688
Kranar wrote: post #555

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No one is forcing Youtube to do anything, all we're doing is criticizing Youtube for its policies which we believe make Youtube a worse product than it would otherwise be. Criticizing a video game, or a movie, or a restaurant or a streaming service does not imply the use of force to do anything nor does it imply having to get the government involved. It just means we think a product could be improved upon. I think Yo…

But you are saying in this analogy that the restaurant should post negative reviews from its customers, say on its website. Why should they? It’s not like they’re taking down negative reviews (videos) from things they don’t own.

I don't think you understand the analogy…

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xigoi »

bduerst wrote: post #627
clord wrote: post #614

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No the point is whether YouTube is better if it allows us to evaluate. I want YouTube to show me darker news and also keep my kid entertained without worry. I don’t want to be treated like the child here though. If I click on a Ukraine war video or I want to find a quote from trump to pick apart there should not be filters preventing it. The product is better if I am in control. YouTube ought to stay out of it. It do…

> I want YouTube to show me darker news and also keep my kid entertained without worry. This is a different argument. You already have the agency of being in control, you can pick any platform to watch from. Youtube is exercising it's own right to censor, similar to how you want to censor for your kid, based on what you think is harmful.

Yeah, you can choose from the one video platform that has a non-negligible amount of content.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by heavyset_go »

sacrosancty wrote: post #632
heavyset_go wrote: post #587

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Much of it was organized on social media, and many those who participated it used the platforms to live stream and tell more people to come and participate, too.

Isn't that the opposite of catastrophic risk, and instead an opportunity for more active users?

I imagine they see it the same way they saw Islamic extremist content on their platforms, in that it's a liability despite the engagement.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by [deleted] »

bduerst wrote: post #582
mulmen wrote: post #518

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> But, the issue that people are starting to react to is - are some platforms a natural monopoly? No. > Is it useful to have all user-generated public video clips be aggregated by one central provider? The answer seems like it’s yes. The answer is no. Vimeo exists. Facebook and Twitter both feature user-generated video content. I hear TikTok is a thing. In addition to these platforms basically anyone can self-host in…

Yep, popular != monopoly, especially given the number of easily accessible alternatives. Given the state of cloud computing in 2022, there has never been a time that it has been easier to host your own video streaming, so it's not a natural monopoly either.

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cudgy »

px43 wrote: post #646
mathogre wrote: post #584

Fuck YouTube. If they're going to control what news I get, I'll choose other than YouTube. I do not need them. I have read from both hard left and hard right, and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions about what makes sense. Let them play their games, whether silly or dangerous. I form my own opinions. Losers!

This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

> 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction.

Taking away their ability to hear different viewpoints especially those they believe to be true just drives these people to radicalize even further. I’m not even touching the matter of dismissing almost half of a country. Very shortsighted perspective.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cudgy »

imnotlost wrote: post #613
hankman86 wrote: post #611

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Agree - I don’t need some “ministry of truth”. Figured out for myself that these “alternative” news shows on YouTube (The Hill, Breaking Points etc.) are populist garbage. This isn’t journalism, but sensationalist cherry-picking of facts with an unhealthy dose of opinion sprinkled on top. All that being said: i think that censorship does way more harm than whatever nonsense these channels put out.

It’s an advertising business. They sell advertising. Everything else is filler between the ads. Network news runs on the same model. Sometimes the filler (news or other content) is good but not always.

My understanding is that Breaking Points at least is mostly funded by direct donations to purposely protect them from censorship by YouTube. I take their perspectives with a grain of salt and their discussions can get long winded. However, in comparison to main stream media, these programs provide far more detail and context than a 2 minute soundbite of talking points straight from the White House or the CIA.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lenkite »

stingraycharles wrote: post #698
lenkite wrote: post #672

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Basically the only news that should be allowed is news that satisfies the mainstream political narrative so that folks are kept fully sanitized. This is far more important than silly things like freedom of speech. Any critical questioning of the "facts" is "misinformation". Who cares later if the "misinformation" later is found to be true ? The most important thing is to obey and follow the will of the collective - s…

We’re talking about Trump denying the election results, which ended with a lot of violence in the Capitol. This is absolutely misinformation that did lead to radicalization.

So did Clinton about the 2016 election and she still claims the same. Along with her consistent hardline that Trump is a Putin Puppet - which is misinformation that has been proved false again & again at great expense to the taxpayer - but still gets published. Zero bans for her - since she is a cherished member of the political mainstream.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum...

https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegiti...

https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-electi...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by hhjinks »

cudgy wrote: post #707
px43 wrote: post #646

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This isn't about you, it's about the 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. YouTube isn't a news network. It's a video platform catering to a global audience, many of whom are really really bad critical thinking. Same with Facebook. We all know what happens when content isn't curated, and it's really, really bad. I'…

> 30-40% of YouTube users who don't have that skill, and become radicalized and violent when stupid bullshit like this starts gaining traction. Taking away their ability to hear different viewpoints especially those they believe to be true just drives these people to radicalize even further. I’m not even touching the matter of dismissing almost half of a country. Very shortsighted perspective.

I don't think that's true. They're probably referring to the people who fall down into alt-right/whatever radical group "rabbit holes." These people aren't radical from the outset. I'd say the real issue is the youtube algorithm, which causes the radicalization "highway" in the first place, but apparently youtube can't be bothered to fix their harmful algorithm, and would rather delete the content that is being promoted by it.
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