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Post by JarvisSong »

abledon wrote: post #474
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

Majority of farmers. India’s govt has backed and supported small farmers for decades. Also agriculture is like 80% of jobs for ppl in India, unlike the US. Farmers protested for ~1 year and prime minister Modi heard their concerns and repealed the new laws. This vox report is a summary https://youtu.be/iHpZV7ro7lU

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Post by analogdreams »

_clhx wrote: post #665
sdsaga12 wrote: post #451

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Here is a YouTube channel that has been doing extended livestreams from the ground with both protestors and counter-protestors: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ/vid... As I wrote elsewhere in this thread [1], I recommend taking a look at this channel or other extended livestreams to get a view from the ground if your impression of this event has been mostly shaped by articles. That recommendat…

Freedom of speech ends IMO when people can't sleep or enjoy the city they live in for a very extended time b/c of the 24/7 honking. I am all for demonstrating, but I think it is a little ridiculous what they are doing.

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Post by dade_ »

tekstar wrote: post #540
hiyer wrote: post #440

When a section of Indian farmers imposed similar blockades on Indian highways, Trudeau was shilling their "right to protest" to pander to his Sikh voters. This despite the fact that the Indian protests were far from peaceful - devolving into riots[1], and the protest sites being venues for rapes[2] and gruesome murders[3,4]. With peaceful protests in his own backyard, Trudeau has forced private organisations to block…

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but I do live in Ottawa. These are not peaceful protests. It's an occupation backed by our extreme right wing and significantly funded by people in other countries (cough). It's been terrorizing local residents night and day. Too loud to sleep, get harassed if you leave your house, and in one case the occupiers attempted to light an apartment building on fire and trap the residents inside.…

Do earplugs work? I ask because the truckers arrived in Toronto and I worried about 24 hour noise, but then the TPS did their job, and I never needed to find out.

As an aside, I actually had a lot of respect for Sloly when he was in TO, so I am completely baffled why he didn’t keep this under control. Any ideas why this went so badly in Ottawa?

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Post by busymom0 »

plebianRube wrote: post #308
synthos wrote: post #106

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False: 'got natural immunity which is superior'

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... > surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection against the subsequent infection than vaccination > Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection So natural immunity is better than only being vaxed, but getting a vaccine increases your protection in both c…

The "cleared infection + vax" is statistically similar to "cleared infection" btw.

Also natural infection antibodies have been shown to last for at least 20 months. We know vaccine one wanes in 3-6 months.

There's also some evidence on those with prior infection having higher chances of side-effects, though more research is needed.

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/vaccine-after-effects-more-co...

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

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Post by malermeister »

salawat wrote: post #345
malermeister wrote: post #276

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Assembling != Putting Heavy Machinery on the Roads.

...actually, that is exactly what Assembling is. Gathering in one place in an organized manner. Bonus points because said heavy machinery was assembled into a complex device whose purpose was "area denial". So technically both senses are satisfied.

Everyone has a right to assemble, not every piece of heavy machinery.

Pedantic wordplay aside, the right of assembly is limited to humans, not arbitrary objects.

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Post by b112 »

JamisonM wrote: post #553
screye wrote: post #522

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It was certainly less than 10% of Indian farmers. It was rooted in Punjab, and had weak support in Eastern UP and Haryana. That's it. Also, unlike Trudeau's mandates which had questionable backing from the constitution, the Farm Bill was passed by a Democratic Govt. with the necessary popular mandate.

The current government of Canada was very recently elected in an election that was mostly about the pandemic response and mandates in particular, the notion that this represents some undermining of the democratic process is a bit of a stretch.

Yes but...

The Federal Governme t has almost no control over, well, anything related to health, or covid related mandates.

The provinces rule here.

The truckers had issues with border crossings, and that's federal, one rare area the feds handle here.

So in reality, the last federal election had very little to do with mandates, or validation of mandate response.

More about fiscal response.

That said, I find this protest a bit loopy. Only provinces can revoke mandates, which they created, about closed businesses, masks, vaccines, etc. They're literally protesting the wrong government.

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Post by swader999 »

JamisonM wrote: post #553
screye wrote: post #522

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It was certainly less than 10% of Indian farmers. It was rooted in Punjab, and had weak support in Eastern UP and Haryana. That's it. Also, unlike Trudeau's mandates which had questionable backing from the constitution, the Farm Bill was passed by a Democratic Govt. with the necessary popular mandate.

The current government of Canada was very recently elected in an election that was mostly about the pandemic response and mandates in particular, the notion that this represents some undermining of the democratic process is a bit of a stretch.

Only two out of ten registered voters voted for his party. Vaccine passports and mandatory vaccination weren't in the campaign.

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Post by rpeden »

selcuka wrote: post #364
fishidns wrote: post #328

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Just want to make sure everyone has the correct piece of data to think about this. The mandate says that non-Canadian truckers need to be vaccinated to enter the country. The mandate says that Canadian truckers, if they are not vaccinated, are not going to be exempt from the normal border entry measures, which is that they'd need to quarantine on entry unless they are vaccinated. The US has a similar mandate for Cana…

> How do you feel about paying for healthcare of people who are not vaccinated and need care to treat COVID? I'm not anti-vaxxer nor oppose vax mandates; but your question misses the point. I am happy to pay for healthcare of people who are not vaccinated the same way I'm happy to pay for healthcare of smokers with lung cancer. I would still do my best to educate them, though. Negligence or ignorance of others should…

A few with your overall point, though it's worth noting that smokers pay a lot of tax to help offset their costs. A $15 pack of cigarettes in Ontario has about $9 of tax included in the price.

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Post by Tiktaalik »

chrissnell wrote: post #255
pas wrote: post #216

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> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)

Because we are free individuals and can make medical decisions for ourselves and our abilities to feed our families should not depend on upon our willingness to take a medication that does not appear to stop the spread of Omicron COVID. The mandates also make no exception for natural immunity which DOES appear to at least slow the spread of Omicron COVID.

The issue is that individual medical decisions impact the community. Individual decisions, in aggregate, impact the community and those most at risk.

The various vaccine mandate restrictions really aren't about protecting the young and healthy. We'll be fine. It's about limiting the most dangerous, transmission risk areas (eg. bars) to people who are best able to handle the disease (ie. are vaccinated) as others are more likely to die of the disease and more likely to catch it in these places.

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