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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by 908B64B197 »

Insanity wrote: post #167
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). I…

> plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest.

> Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn't say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either.

> In the end we kind of shunned the public system and decided to go private healthcare instead. But (luckily) have not really had to take advantage of it)

I hope you can at least deduct it from your taxes else it means you end up paying what, 60% taxes on top of having to purchase private insurance with your post-tax dollars?

That's ridiculous. Here I pay a much lower tax rate and it took me a few clicks to just get a GP.

What's their excuse?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by mythrwy »

analog31 wrote: post #672
afavour wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

Going further, we've moved on from the un-vaccinated in general. My problem is that even though I live in a bubble with 100% vaccination rate among my relatives and friends (most of our kids are older), I can't quite make peace with just letting the un-vax'd kill one another off. And there seems to be no middle ground.

I'm curious where you get this information from.

The unvaxxed won't be killing off each other at a rate much (if any) higher then the vaxed and this is clear as day right now. Numbers.

What is it about this disease that is causing otherwise intelligent people to step into this reality of alternate (and untrue) facts? Even US supreme court justices.

I don't mean this as an attack, it's just I don't get it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by standardUser »

For those who think the addition of boosters is odd or suspicious, I suggest looking at the vaccine schedules published by the CDC. Not for Covid, but for the dozen or so vaccines most of us have already had. There is a lot of variety in how different vaccines are scheduled and multiple boosters are very common.

Under 18: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... 18 and over: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by recursive »

snowwrestler wrote: post #613
recursive wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the marshmallow test is pretty flawed itself. But maybe the marshmallow test is actually a good analogy. I suspect many of the test "failures" were caused because the test subject (kid) didn't trust the authority figure (test administrator). When you can see a marshmallow with your own eyes, it's more believable. I think it's quite reasonable to factor in some probability that an untrusted stranger would "alt…

I just picked what seemed like a well-known analogy for the long-term value of managing short-term emotional response. You could use other analogies if you want, like putting beer money into an IRA, or eating more veggies, etc.

I think the marshmallow test is more illustrative than those for the reasons I mentioned.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by throw6622 »

georgekv wrote: post #647
afavour wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

The biggest reason the under 5s vaccine is taking so long is that they don't suffer severe enough symptoms that they can easily test the efficacy of the virus. The same issue was there with the 5-11s but pharma, CDC, & FDA just glossed over that to approve the vaccines.

The success we’re talking about was an analytical measurement of the antigen response in the body. It wasn’t lack of symptoms which ruled that phase a failure.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by kevinmchugh »

belorn wrote: post #631
mizzack wrote: post #246

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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

I would be much more concerned about omicron. The flu is very unlikely to have any long term effects as long one keep an eye on the fever. We don't know about the long term effects of omicron. What we do know about covid is for example fatigue and long term lung damage, both which can have very debilitating effects on health, wealth and social well being. Lung damage in particular can be hard to detect without doing…

We know omicron spends less time in the lungs, which is excellent news

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

Why would you think your three kids are somehow definitive or representative?

These kinds of comments baffle me. It's almost as if people can't imagine that other people might have very different experiences, and that those experiences are equally valid.

Pandemics are statistical events. Individual stories are irrelevant because the true picture is always a collective summary of cause and effect.

No one can generalise from personal experience - except possibly those working on the front lines, who have to deal personally with the consequences of poor decisions.

The reality is that when you have a rapidly mutating pathogen, the pandemic is done when it stops mutating and becomes mild enough for health services to return to something resembling normality.

This may or may not happen after Omicron. It might, but it just as easily might not.

Personal opinion is absolutely not a factor in this.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by celtain »

nsxwolf wrote: post #296
celtain wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

These pandemic-halting benefits seem to be illusory with delta and omicron. The drug companies seem to have no particular motivation to release updated vaccines. If I'm going to be forced to keep current on a shot if I want to be employed or enter buildings, it should come with some form of justification that is periodically evaluated. If it doesn't work, the inconvenience should not exist. If the virus mutates and r…

To the people who are "vaxxed and done", the pandemic-halting benefits seem to be real enough.

Many of us aren't done (and many others were done long before the vaccine came out), but we're not the subjects of this article.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by holbrad »

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

I agree being able to deploy a vaccine in record time is very impressive.

I think an interesting thought experiment would be: take the modern COVID strain and go back to the 1900~'s UK/America? (That's where most the site is from as far as I know)

Just the massive lack of co-morbidities (Diabetes, heart disease, obesity, cancer) and demographic differences (Average age was far lower, population density) could make it an almost a non issue.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by astrange »

rajup wrote: post #625
neuronic wrote: post #583

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How is it so hard for you people to understand that we shut down society because the health system is stressed at unforeseen levels? I mean just ask your fellow emergency workers how their life is right now.

Stressed by the numerous asymptomatic hypochondriacs you mean? [1] I have no idea what these asymptomatic folks are wasting hospital resources for [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-cases-t...

It's not "asymptomatic hypochondriacs". "Hospitalized with no symptoms" mean they're in the hospital for other reasons and just happened to test positive.

Although, even vaccinated people hospitalized "for covid" at the moment are mostly there for things like dehydration, similar to the flu.

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