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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mike_h »

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

I’ve worked primarily with Chinese for years, both inside and outside of China. They consistently poke fun at and speak thoughtfully about the government and policy. It’s possible they just had learned to avoid being baited by westerners looking to confirm a certain narrative.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by 1123581321 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #688
dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

He froze (in state) tuition because the school is completely bankrolled by wealthy Chinese sending their kids to school. Every luxury car driving around town has a foreign student at the wheel.

It’s more complicated than that. They held the line on costs, which let them maintain the freeze, which increased enrollment and alum donations and made investments beyond low-hanging fruit possible. They claim not to have changed their mix of in-state. Daniels is a legitimate tightwad so it’s in character for him to take cost control seriously.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by United857 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #699
Qub3d wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My family hosted a Taiwanese exchange student when I was in high school. One day, he and I were out seeing the town. He discovered a Chinese Tea house in an out-of-the-way corner, and we stopped in. The owner, a Chinese expat, greeted us enthusiastically and personally sat down to serve us tea. The conversation was lovely; she was explaining the source of the tea, the preparation and serving method, etc. and I was ju…

This story sounds doubtful to me. It's perfectly OK for a Chinese to say that they are from Taiwan, and Chinese, be it from the mainland or Taiwan, always say that: They're from Taiwan, Beijing, Guangdong, you name it. It's like saying which state you're from in the US. No-one ever says "Chinese Taipei", certainly not among Chinese, which is just some political compromise, mostly in the Olympic Committee. The only is…

Depends on the context. The term "Taiwan" standalone is neutral, but e.g. having "Taiwan" and "China" in e.g. a list of countries would not be.

I've been asked many times in mainland China where I was from, and I say "Taiwan" without any issues.

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Post by coupdejarnac »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #699
Qub3d wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My family hosted a Taiwanese exchange student when I was in high school. One day, he and I were out seeing the town. He discovered a Chinese Tea house in an out-of-the-way corner, and we stopped in. The owner, a Chinese expat, greeted us enthusiastically and personally sat down to serve us tea. The conversation was lovely; she was explaining the source of the tea, the preparation and serving method, etc. and I was ju…

This story sounds doubtful to me. It's perfectly OK for a Chinese to say that they are from Taiwan, and Chinese, be it from the mainland or Taiwan, always say that: They're from Taiwan, Beijing, Guangdong, you name it. It's like saying which state you're from in the US. No-one ever says "Chinese Taipei", certainly not among Chinese, which is just some political compromise, mostly in the Olympic Committee. The only is…

I think you're over-literally interpreting what above poster said. Above poster probably doesn't speak Mandarin so their retelling might be missing some nuance.

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Post by azinman2 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #521
gtirloni wrote: post #312

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You're imagining wrong and assuming a lot of things. "Lightly suggesting" something is "difficult" is a conversation starter. Not arguing. Maybe we're getting into "cultural differences" area and we should probably agree to disagree.

I did not say that you were arguing. I just pointed out that you were starting a conversation that could lead nowhere pleasant for anyone so your guests probably wisely stirred away from it.

Or, you’re making a ton of conjecture without knowing the situation, the people involved, their relationship, what was actually said, the emotional context, and are forming all of these opinions stated as fact from a few lines of text on an HN comment.

I wish people were more charitable on HN, on the internet, and in life.

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Post by geofft »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #500
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #358

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Did you want to make sure it's the same one, that your preferred media outlets are talking about? It's more than one. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

? Banning the teaching of critical race theory in schools is not the same thing as banning any discussion of the Tulsa race massacre.

I didn't claim it bans "any discussion." I claimed it bans "honest and uncensored discussion."

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Post by thesuitonym »

Mezzie wrote: post #204
stelonix wrote: post #159

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Those movies are more often than not glorifying such embarrassments, which make them propaganda. As an analogy for China & the US, you can say one of them is Orwellian while the other is Huxleyan. They're both oppressive, but it's about time to stop pretending only coercion is bad; propaganda is everywhere in american media and it's the same tactic used by autocracies in the 40s: spin everything you do as "us vs them…

Indeed. If I recall correctly, movies which use US Military equipment are often required to work with/be reviewed by the Pentagon: [0] https://www.defense.gov/News/Inside-DOD/Blog/article/2062735... [1] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-aug-21-la-ca-mi...

AFAIK there's no requirement to work with the DoD, but if you want DoD consultants they want a say in the movie.

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Post by superdisk »

Benlights wrote: post #140
mensetmanusman wrote: post #52

The intimidation is real. The wealthiest billionaire athletes are afraid to lose millions of dollars and don’t even speak up.

I only know of one or two billionaire athletes, who are you referring to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjOrsMupgg

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Post by Turing_Machine »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #163
Benlights wrote: post #132

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It's not the technical assistance needed it's the legal review. Go get that from a CS major.

You don't need a legal review. • A static site without JavaScript; • with all images / external resources hosted on the same domain; • where the logs are default configuration, don't leave the server (except as GoAccess reports), and are deleted / anonymised eventually; is GDPR-compliant. Sure, there are other ways to be compliant, but this works, and is basically the default way of setting up a website. It's not har…

> is basically the default way of setting up a website

It's not the default way of setting up an online content management system to which student journalists can post articles without going through some convoluted command-line build process ("...then you do a git commit and push, run the Hugo script, and rsync the files to the server"... yeah, no.)

> It's not hard to check whether this is how your website works.

Since they're using a third-party content management system, they most likely neither know nor even care how the website works. Why should they? They're journalists, not system administrators.

As others have noted, this is an independent student newspaper. Their normal readership outside the Purdue community is probably in the low single digits on a percentage basis, and their EU readership is likely close to non-existent. They (or, more likely, the people who run the CMS for them) have concluded that a full audit of their system to ensure GPDR compliance is simply not worth it for the minuscule number of additional readers they'd gain. And they're almost certainly right.

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Post by exabrial »

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

That's been my experience too. When traveling to China, we were given a class and they advised us to not discuss any politics, even American ones, overseas. Other items that were "off topic" including voting, rights for non-traditional lifestyles, abortion, death penalties, taxes, and discussions about world conflicts.
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