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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by frumper »

rualca wrote: post #658
frumper wrote: post #622

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The way you phrase that it sounds like these social media companies black mail you with dirty secrets they learn about you. I understand why people don't want to be packaged and sold, but a realistic view is that you're getting a service subsidized by all of this.

> The way you phrase that it sounds like these social media companies black mail you with dirty secrets they learn about you. You may come up with the hyperboles you wish, but the truth of the matter is that a) these companies spy on their user base, b) they don't divulge or inform you about how they spy on you, c) they obviously do not defend you or have your best interests in mind, d) they don't even clarify what t…

I don't care if Google convinces some company to pay them while Google provides a service to me without paying. Of course they're going to try and monetize it anyway they can. I don't think Walmart has my best interests either, so there is nothing special about social media companies. Nor do social media companies have a monopoly on "spying" on their users.

I recall reading a case study over a decade ago about how a dad learned his daughter was pregnant because Target was sending her ads to register for a baby because she was buying things people buy early in their pregnancy like pre-natal vitamins.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by Dah00n »

Barrin92 wrote: post #306
Dah00n wrote: post #151

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>much more stimulating To you, yes. Not everyone is you though. >It does actually take a sort of literacy to understand and appreciate art. No it doesn't. It might add something (or nothing at all or detract from it) but if it is a hard requirement then it isn't art. > Go talk to anyone about art who has spent a lot of time studying it and then talk to someone who just walks through the museum to take instagram pictu…

No they don't. It's a popular view nowadays because people want to have egalitarian views on everything but someone who has played Bach for 20 years has a deeper understanding of (his) music than someone who listened for ten minutes and can pick up on things that someone else cannot. E.F. Schumacher coined the term 'adaequatio' for this. "What enables man to know anything at all about the world around him? … Nothing…

>someone who has played Bach for 20 years has a deeper understanding of (his) music than someone who listened for ten minutes

See, there it is again. The snobbery. We are discussing art, not music theory. No, one that has played Bach for 20 years cannot by default appreciate art better than someone who just heard Bach for the first time. It is exactly the same as saying only a mechanic who have worked on cars for 20 years can appreciate a good sports car or only a doctor can appreciate the human body. It is pure elitist nonsense! Just because you know the theory behind how something is made doesn't mean you are better at appreciating it. Far from it. Using all kinds of theory on, say, a book will often ruin it.

It is those who have used a lot of time on theory that want to believe they are better, not those without the theory that understand art less.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by mygo »

romwell wrote: post #294
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If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

Yeah, no. TikTok's algorithm has introduced me to my (now) favorite neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ content makers. Some of them have hundreds of thousands of followers, some a few hundred. I've learned more about these subjects (and myself!) than from most other sources. The value of TikTok for me was that it linked up a bunch of neurodivergent/lgbtq+ people into a vibrant, supportive community. Honestly, if they decide t…

I'd love to hear your long list of reasons why. This is coming from someone who has heard of Tik Tok but has never used it. I'm a late adopter to social platforms, joining Twitter in 2014 and not really using it until last year.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

nos4A2 wrote: post #700
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My observation is that it actually accelerated said brain-gain. There was a crackdown on fraudulent H1B applications, with more RFEs being issued. That freed a lot of spots for legitimate applicants that were hogged by questionable bodyshops. It also incentivized attorneys to start looking at O-1 (and they are easier than people think for real engineers to get). Academically, a lot was written (by foreign universitie…

Can you cite links that support your assertion that there were fewer fraudulent H1B applications?

http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-incr...

Not hard to find.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by nos4A2 »

pedroma wrote: post #583
nos4A2 wrote: post #266

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I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.

Curious what you're implying happened in the US in the last 4 years. Maybe I'm missing some important event other than Covid but that affects all countries.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02172-8

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by nos4A2 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #704
nos4A2 wrote: post #700

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Can you cite links that support your assertion that there were fewer fraudulent H1B applications?

http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-incr... Not hard to find.

This is misleading though, because a majority of H1b applications are renewals (so folks already on an H1b), not new applications. On top of that, most renewals happen to be Indian Nationals because they have no pathway to obtain permanent residency in many cases.

Also how does a higher rejection rate lead to brain gain? I'd imagine it discourages a would be immigrant.

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Post by didntknowya »

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

i've actually seen far more diverse and niche creators on tik tok. their algorithm also promotes them if you show interest in those kinds of videos.

youtube used to do a decent job but lately is more focusing on showing viral or promoted/paid videos. along with videos with 30second ads or useless intros, it's no wonder people are flocking to shorter form vids.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

stackedinserter wrote: post #370
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #303

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No one said that there are no queer people on TikTok, or that they get no exposure. They said that TikTok artificially limits their exposure in several ways, especially outside their home country. That's probably not a big deal if they're in the US, but potentially a very big deal elsewhere.

Maybe most people aren't interested in queer content, so it doesn't get viral. It may be there, but most people immediately scroll it up.

That has nothing to do with TikTok explicitly limiting the suggestion rates of certain video categories.

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Post by crvdgc »

xvector wrote: post #575
crvdgc wrote: post #435

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As a non-user, I am genuinely curious about what are some concrete examples of productive contents? From my understanding, the only format of communication on TikTok is videos with a short time limit. I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive.

> I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive. This is actually one of the most refreshing things about TikTok. Content density. What YouTubers take 10 minutes to do, a competent TikToker gets across in 30 seconds. The platform itself encourages a maximization of information density.

I went through some TikTok accounts that aim to be informational. Even for the basic type of people talking to the camera, the content density is indeed higher than some YouTube counterparts.

The problem I see is that there's an upper limit to the quantity of information even with this higher density. And that's a hard limit on the range of topics that this format can cover.

Furthermore, I don't think this can be solved by simply increase the time limit as well, since people can't maintain the same level of attention for a long period of time. Say the content needs 60s with max density. It usually needs to spread out to 120s with lower density for it to be understood better.

For the informational content I consume on YouTube, in a 10min video, the parts that can be removed are usually 30s of opening and 30s of closing. For the rest, though it has lower density than TikTok, I don't think it's possible to compress that much and the low density is in some sense necessary.

Of course, this is specific to how people use YouTube and TikTok. And though I am unlikely to use TikTok from this experience, I still appreciate your input.

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Post by herbst »

908B64B197 wrote: post #665
nos4A2 wrote: post #266

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I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.

My observation is that it actually accelerated said brain-gain. There was a crackdown on fraudulent H1B applications, with more RFEs being issued. That freed a lot of spots for legitimate applicants that were hogged by questionable bodyshops. It also incentivized attorneys to start looking at O-1 (and they are easier than people think for real engineers to get). Academically, a lot was written (by foreign universitie…

Making it easy to get there is not what makes a place interesting to move to.
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