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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jrsj »

trboyden wrote: post #681
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

The problem is, this is all marketing, and pricing it lower than Tesla is just a head-turner for the press, not the average citizens that actually buy these things. The base model F150 the low-end of the Lighting line compares to is only $28,940. That's $10,000 less than the electric model. Most consumers are not going to be buying a base model and dealers rarely carry them on their lots. So, the realistic starting p…

It depends on how ordering them works and if the base model is actually available and if it’s still a crew cab; finding a new affordable near base model F150 is actually pretty difficult. If closer to minimum spec Lightnings are more common the effective price difference is smaller.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by csharptwdec19 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #310
csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

> Let us not forget that a lot of 'Car guys' are arguably insane. You might want to look in the mirror. Car threads bring out really destructive attitudes, and mostly not from the 'car guys'. The stuff that gets said here is astounding...

> You might want to look in the mirror.

I provided a very real world example of car enthusiasts doing something that a sane human being would not do. Can you help me understand what I should be looking for?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by hbarka »

aidenn0 wrote: post #476
Miner49er wrote: post #409

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I grew up in a place where I can't even think of a family that didn't have at least one truck. I'm honestly confused by the dislike of them. I really don't understand how you can own a house with a decent sized yard and not own a truck or at least a trailer. How do you get any yard or house work done without one?

When I was in college a friend of mine who did construction work drove a Ford Ranger from the mid 1980s. It had a larger bed than the typical truck I see on the road today, while also being far smaller. I live in a wealthy town, and you can tell someone's political affiliation like this: - Tesla -> Democrat - Immaculate crew-cab pickup truck -> Republican - Beatup truck with 8' bed -> rancher

Now that’s a clearly doubtful Venn diagram. Tesla owners I know in wealthy towns are Republicans. God forbid if you have a Nissan Leaf and an immaculate crew cab truck, what would they call you then?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

tha0xb1 wrote: post #695
misiti3780 wrote: post #351

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As someone who comes from a rural area but drives an EV, my whole issue with trucks is that 90% of the people I know that have trucks do not need them for work, it sort of a status symbol in rural America. A lot of these trucks are huge, not your standard truck, but more like a tank. Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environ…

>Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environment. The Model X weighs more than a standard F-150. It technically does more damage to the roads than F-150s do.

To be fair, that effect is mostly counteracted by the reduction in tanker trunks from going to an EV.

The F150 Lightning will have this advantage too, of course.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by syshum »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #336
mceachen wrote: post #301

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Ford also hasn't sold that many EVs (yet), so it's still eligible for the US $7500 federal tax rebate (unlike Tesla). (BTW: It seems like such an arbitrary and ultimately bad decision to cap rebates by manufacturer. Rebate caps for expensive luxury cars? Sure. But penalize a manufacturer for making _too many_ of the thing you're incentivizing doesn't seem right).

Ford has already sold over 100,000 EV's, and if they can't sell 100,000 Mach-E's in the next 12 months then they're doing something wrong. So by the time the F-150 becomes available their credit should be in the wind-down phase. Another likely scenario is that Biden gets his infrastructure bill through and the credit becomes available to all US-manufactured EV's.

The inflation that the infrastructure bill cause will make the credit pointless

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #336
mceachen wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ford also hasn't sold that many EVs (yet), so it's still eligible for the US $7500 federal tax rebate (unlike Tesla). (BTW: It seems like such an arbitrary and ultimately bad decision to cap rebates by manufacturer. Rebate caps for expensive luxury cars? Sure. But penalize a manufacturer for making _too many_ of the thing you're incentivizing doesn't seem right).

Ford has already sold over 100,000 EV's, and if they can't sell 100,000 Mach-E's in the next 12 months then they're doing something wrong. So by the time the F-150 becomes available their credit should be in the wind-down phase. Another likely scenario is that Biden gets his infrastructure bill through and the credit becomes available to all US-manufactured EV's.

As far as I know, Ford is capacity constrained to the point that they will only be able to ship ~50k Mach-E's this year.

Not only that, but the phaseout process for rebates is VERY slow. Its likely they will still have at least some rebates until some time in 2023, even without a change in the law.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by callahanrts »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

To further point out the stereotyping in this thread, take a look at the announcement thread of the tesla cybertruck and compare the sentiment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21602437).

Not to mention that the cybertruck has nearly the same dimensions as the f150 (https://youtu.be/sLvopc9oI4A?t=199) and has a shape that is more likely to cut you in half if it were to hit you. It also has a payload that's more comparable with a ford super duty and will likely weight more than the lightning to support that.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

jdhn wrote: post #338
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

>4. No Autopilot. This is a big sell for many EV users Is it really? I'm looking at an EV for my next car, and not once have I considered Autopilots availability as a musthave feature. Then again, most people who get excited about Autopilot seem to think that driving is a chore that should be removed, while I love driving.

I love driving, but AP is also really useful on the highway and long stretches of road in general. Its a much bigger advantage than I expected, tbh.

Ford has something similar, but it fails more unexpectedly and often. Although, Tesla AP still has major phantom braking issues... sigh.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bananabreakfast »

rootusrootus wrote: post #260
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

Keep in mind this is only in America. F-150s sell terribly anywhere else because they have to actually compete with trucks made in other countries, unlike here where foreign trucks are heavily tariffed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bckygldstn »

gilbetron wrote: post #262
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

The 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz [1] looks like it'll be much smaller than the current crop of trucks (though still larger than the compact trucks of 20 years ago).

[1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36125131/2022-hyundai-san...

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