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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by nabakin »

kristofferR wrote: post #580
nabakin wrote: post #564

A bit off-topic but I think worth noting. The VesselFinder map on this website is incredibly smooth and responsive! Every time I open up Google Maps, I feel how bloated it is despite running on the Pixel 5, Google's very own latest flagship device! It seems to me Google doesn't care much about Maps' performance if I feel more comfortable navigating maps using some random, web embed. After looking around the embed a b…

It's using OpenLayers. https://openlayers.org/

OpenLayers uses OSM. If you go to the VesselFinder website, you can see them give credit to OSM in that map and the OpenLayers website mentions they use OSM. Guess I should have mentioned OpenLayers too since it actually implements the map UI so ty.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by sb057 »

Aperocky wrote: post #525
eternalban wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egypt is bleeding money right now. It earned roughly USD 15,360,000.00/day from Suez passage fees in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Authority#Revenues

Wow, costs $300K to transit through the canal per ship by fee alone? That is capital intensive. It's amazing that more ships are not simply sailing around Africa.

The $300K cost is actually calculated to be just below the amount it would cost extra to sail around the cape, adjusting for other factors, of course.

There's actually a robust and competitive market for intercontinental shipping canals:

https://www.industryweek.com/ideaxchange/article/21965825/su...

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by the_local_host »

testfoobar wrote: post #378

Moving sand is easier than moving a ship+20K containers or removing the 20K containers in hopes of refloating the ship. So the easiest solution would be to widen the canal at this point - where the ship is currently located and where the ship will need to go as it refloats and turns. Move the banks further back. In effect create a place with enough room for a ship of this size to turnaround. The canal isn't that deep…

How do you get the ship to fall into the hole at the right moment?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by fuzxi »

OldHand2018 wrote: post #557
dan-robertson wrote: post #190

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The people who should be desperately trying to pay a lot of money to get the ship unstuck are maritime insurance underwriters. There is a lot of insurance against late delivery. Unless they have managed to figure out how this is an act of god, that is.

That’s what they’re claiming - it was unexpectedly heavy winds in a sandstorm that caused it to ground. Also, they had two canal pilots on board. I’m pretty sure that this absolves the shipping company of responsibility for guiding the ship safely.

Seems it's not always so cut-and-dry.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26564849

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by rdiddly »

rtkwe wrote: post #632
lhorie wrote: post #616

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This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

For moving containers off the best bet would probably be heavy lift choppers, the ship is large enough you could have several working on it at once and then just drop them off nearby to be loaded onto barges or something. A huge undertaking but it any weight taken off the Evergreen is less digging they have to do and the time is so expensive. Also it's less middle of nowhere there's a pretty large airbase nearby it l…

Yep. Throw a bunch of these and a bunch of fossil fuels at the problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-64_Skycrane

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by RapidFire »

King-Aaron wrote: post #672
antidamage wrote: post #653

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Helicopters are a thing. And yeah, even completely empty with no fuel or ballast you will never see the bow out of the water like that. However it is more than capable of surviving being dragged along sand. It's just that they have nothing strong enough to drag it with. Eventually someone will stake some anchors into the ground and use an industrial winch, but that's where hull design starts to suck - there's no good…

How long do you think it would take to unload 20,000 40-foot containers via helicopter? I'll start with my guess: A long time

You would probably need to be the US military. Once you have a setup onsite; helicopters, pilots, fuel, maintenance, crew to rig containers, you could rapidly unload the containers. Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08K_aEajzNA

US Military is probably the only entity that could pull this off in a timely manner. At great cost of course...

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by knz »

rdiddly wrote: post #706
rtkwe wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For moving containers off the best bet would probably be heavy lift choppers, the ship is large enough you could have several working on it at once and then just drop them off nearby to be loaded onto barges or something. A huge undertaking but it any weight taken off the Evergreen is less digging they have to do and the time is so expensive. Also it's less middle of nowhere there's a pretty large airbase nearby it l…

Yep. Throw a bunch of these and a bunch of fossil fuels at the problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-64_Skycrane

There are comments further down explaining how the containers likely weigh substantially more than the lift capacity of heavy lift helicopters. They'd have to partially unload the contents of each individual container first.

And if you're unloading, the human labor cost to unload the whole container is probably cheaper than the cost of running a fleet of helicopters for weeks to months.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by fuzxi »

lamontcg wrote: post #160
adflux wrote: post #155

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Love the armchair engineers who think they're gonna solve this better than billion dollar companies

Just let the air out of the tires, simple.

Why don't they just give me a long enough lever so I can simply lift the ship out of the canal?
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