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It's not like corporations really have a better track record. Quite a few of the colonisation efforts were done by corporations or under private management (not "nations"). Corporations hid and obscured facts about asbestos, smoking, climate change, etc. for decades. Various corporations are not exactly well known for their excellent treatment of people in various less well-off regions (Shell in Nigeria, Dole in Sout…

>It's not like corporations really have a better track record. The governments of Russia, Germany and China killed over a hundred million of their own people last century, no corporation comes anything near that.

Many of those governments had help. It's not the Nazis killed millions with their bare hands.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben#Zyklon_B

Re: Email from Jeff Bezos to employees

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He went to Princeton because he was smart, not because his family was rich. It isn't a school of billionaires or something. The majority of Ivy League enrollment is regular kids from working class families. They all have the best need-based scholarship programs in the country. His dad was a Cuban immigrant who worked as an engineer at Exxon.

No, most families at Princeton are not typical working class families. The median family income of a student's family is about $180,000. Yes, if you're accepted, you really don't have to worry about the price tag because of their financial aid. But poorer families are more likely to go to lower quality schools that may not even offer AP courses and do very little test prep. Families are also unable to afford top-tier…

HN seems to think most of the world is a meritocracy. The reality is that a dumb rich kid is much more likely to get into a good university than a poor brilliant one. There is a "glass floor": https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/26/well-off-fam...

Re: Email from Jeff Bezos to employees

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> This journey began some 27 years ago. Amazon was only an idea, and it had no name. It had a name, and that name was "Cadabra". It didn't become Amazon until Jeff watched a documentary about the Amazon River. His lawyer had already turned up his nose at "Cadabra", and Jeff was looking for something else. It's also worth noting that the idea didn't grow over time - Jeff always intended to build something like "Sears…

>ps. amazon employee #2 Please tell me you held onto your stock

Put into perspective that the dot boom happened around 1999-2001 and the dot bomb set in hard by 2003. Between 1996 and through that roller coaster people went through a lot, and since then there have now been two financial crises in the US, one ongoing.

It probably doesn't feel good to be asked this question. I say this as an early employee of three startups.

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> This journey began some 27 years ago. Amazon was only an idea, and it had no name. It had a name, and that name was "Cadabra". It didn't become Amazon until Jeff watched a documentary about the Amazon River. His lawyer had already turned up his nose at "Cadabra", and Jeff was looking for something else. It's also worth noting that the idea didn't grow over time - Jeff always intended to build something like "Sears…

Do you have any interesting anecdotes from your time at amazon?

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> This journey began some 27 years ago. Amazon was only an idea, and it had no name. It had a name, and that name was "Cadabra". It didn't become Amazon until Jeff watched a documentary about the Amazon River. His lawyer had already turned up his nose at "Cadabra", and Jeff was looking for something else. It's also worth noting that the idea didn't grow over time - Jeff always intended to build something like "Sears…

To be fair, "Sears for the 21st century" is not what Amazon is today. It's a whole lot more than that. And that does seem to have grown over time. Stuff like AWS and Alexa and all of that. That's likely what he's referring to.

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It was public knowledge that Bezos stopped running Amazon day-to-day a while ago. It was headed by the two execs under him (Andy Jassy for AWS and Jeff Wilke for retail). Jassy even had the CEO (of AWS) title. With Wilke announcing his retirement a few months ago, Jassy was the clear frontrunner to take over from Bezos. In hindsight I guess Wilke retired because Jassy was picked over him. The timing of the announceme…

I just hope Andy Jassy will not bring the AWS customer support to retail, because Amazon is screwed if he does.

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    "I don’t know of another company with an 
     invention track record as good as Amazon’s,"
        - Jeff Bezos
Excuse me?

Maybe we should consider -- oh I don't know, Bell Telephone, which had Bell Laboratories?

Which won 13* Nobel Prizes for revolutionary, groundbreaking research about the Transistor and created and funded a "Legal Typesetting System" on which 90% of overall computer operating systems are descended from!

Even ignoring Bell Laboratories, we could look at IBM, which created the modern home computer market! Or Xerox PARC! Or Apple!

* - or 9, my brain is giving me two numbers on that and I don't remember which one it was

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> I'm not trying to convince you, I just wanted to answer your question. Sure it is, if there is a good convincing case, you can in the space of a single comment at least get me to seriously question and re-evaluate my priors, check out your book recommendations, and I would do the rest from there whether I ended up agreeing or disagreeing in the end. Let’s start with what is the impetus for action? Inaction is easy,…

Ok, this thread is mostly about Amazon, so let's talk about impetus for action against them. 1. Documented examples of Amazon knowingly using predatory pricing to put a competitor out of business, most famously with Diapers.com. Amazon saw them as a "#1 short term competitor", lowered their prices and took a loss so Diapers.com couldn't compete, and then raised prices again once they were able to acquire their compet…

#1: I did some sleuthing, Diapers.com, originally 1800Diapers, LLC and later Quidsi, Inc. after they had expanded into other lines of business started in 2005, and you can read a PR statement from the time here: https://www.digitalcommerce360.com/2005/06/08/1800diapers-co...

From the PR statement, you can see their growth hack:

> 1800Diapers also recently added a large selection of very popular diaper bags, also at low prices with free shipping. The Company actually guarantees the prices for its diaper bags are the cheapest on the Internet or it refunds the difference.

Price matching, which is not illegal.

So let’s take a look at the website from 2005:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050301022607/http://www.1800di...

The best unit price on that page is $0.16 for 8 to 15 lb babies, which after about 16 years of inflation, comes out to $0.21 today. Pampers Baby Dry. The exact same diapers are, at the time of this writing, have a unit price of $0.21 on Amazon. Getting a link from the Amazon app on my iPad where I’m typing this is amazingly unobvious, so here’s the item model # to search: 037000862215 The company, Quidsi, Inc. was eventually purchased by Amazon for $545M in 2010. It is not apparent that diaper buyers were harmed by this transaction. The price beats Walmart’s at least, yet Walmart continues to sell diapers, and you can find competitive prices at Costco, though you cannot find the same model. At worst, diapers are slightly more expensive today, and at best, this whole line of argument is a wash. Yes, Amazon took aggressive steps against a competitor, but was it an abuse of their market power? Mind this is when Amazon was far from the size they are today by any objective measure, and ultimately the shareholders of that competitor made out well for themselves. 1800Diapers was also measuring their prices against their competitors on the front page, March 2005, with an estimated 6% sales tax rate baked into the price of their competitors, and very prominently advertised the lack of sales tax. Amazon was their only major competitor for which such a tactic would not work so 1800Diapers price matched.

#2: The people I most hold responsible for cronyism are the government officials which participated and bent over backwards so that Amazon could try to get a discount on some New York and Northern Virginia real estate. Not to absolve Amazon, they hold responsibility for initiating it, but cronyism falls squarely on the soldiers of the officials willing to sellout their own tax base, and is arguably an abuse of their power.

#3: Correct. As does Safeway, Whole Foods prior (and after) to the Amazon acquisition, Lucky’s, Albertson’s (which owns Safeway, they might own Lucky’s too) and Costco. Amazon is a website you buy stuff, and some of that stuff is Amazon products, and some of that stuff is Amazon white-label products. There are other means of buying and selling on the internet, and we are starting to see the infrastructure for that develop now.

15 years ago Walmart was the 800 pound gorilla destroying retail. 30 years before that, Sears was untouchable. Clearly it is possible to have a competitive retail landscape even in the face of an enormously dominant competitor. The small businesses that can’t make it on Amazon are in a tough business, in 10 years many of them won’t be around, but other products and service providers will.

#4: There has been a lot of FUD around private arbitration; I have yet to see solid investigative reporting on it. The enabling law, not surprisingly from the 1920s when a lot of crap law was written, is the Federal Arbitration Act of 1926. The specific entity that Amazon uses is the American Arbitration Association, and only for claims that would not qualify for small claims court if their agreement is to be believed.

#5: The WaPo article is less scandalous than I thought it would be. 30-35% of dollars earned by 3rd parties goes back to Amazon, but a lot of it in additional spend on ads, which is basically priority placement like what you would see in any supermarket, and additional services. So it can be as high as 30-35%, but not every third-party seller is paying that much.

They also have additional options to sell in.

Retail is a tough life. You can pursue your own path and start a small business, but you’re not entitled to succeed in doing so. It sounds like for many small businesses, Amazon is an enabling technology that makes much of what they do possible, and maybe even profitable enough to continue doing so.

#6: 70% of the voice assistant market? I can believe that. I am not a fan of this entire product category, but Amazon moved early, it offered a compelling product and it is kicking ass in name ID, the quality of the assistant and price. They offered a compelling package, and people bought it. Other than being overly aggressive in invading the privacy of their customers who seem to both know and not care, is there a specific harm in Alexa dominating voice assistants in a world where a decent number of people are walking around with devices in their pockets that can respond to either Siri or Google Assistant?

I do appreciate the effort on your part, but I want you to see where I am coming from: it is easy to make bold claims based off nothing more than emotions and bad PR. Amazon has had a lot of PR, I won’t buy anything I can put in my body from them and I do the bulk of my shopping elsewhere for various reasons.

However it is a difficult proposition to simply look at big numbers, bad PR and come to the conclusion that this company is simply too big! How could it get this big?! How could we as a society allow this?

Turns out, it is mostly just that Amazon.com and many of their products and services actually are compelling. I remember when the iTunes Music Store was the only compelling game in town in its category, until the Amazon MP3 Store came in and easily took 20% of the market simply by being good and compelling on its own terms, and with a clear value proposition to potential customers. Now it is all about Spotify, Pandora, my beloved Rdio was gobbled up by Pandora and killed, Google has their own music service, Amazon has a subscription, and most people don’t seem to be buying music anymore. C’est la vie.

If you’re going to make the bold claims of this or that entity in a world where no one person or group of people seems to have all that much freestanding power anymore, put the legwork in, make a real case. Power is relative, and not always applicable, as in literally applicable in every circumstance depending on the type of power it is you are holding.

I will review the final link you sent at my leisure. For me, the hour is late. Good night, if you respond by morning, I will see it, but will likely be busy until evening. For what it is worth to you, I’ll even revisit my priors, but it’s going to be a tougher sell because your position used to be mine several years ago, but not so far long ago that I don’t remember.

That WaPo article is a good example of how I see things differently than you now. If you see a bunch of horrible claims levied against Amazon, I see a bunch of small business owners who have problems, some of them legitimate maybe, some of them not, but are a small fraction of the 2.5M 3rd party sellers the WaPo says are on Amazon making a living somehow. That’s a decent number of people doing what they do to really not have any other choice for making a living, and I’m sure I can round up a thousand of them to complain about Amazon shafting them if I tried. For reference, there’s about 2 million farms in America.

Re: Email from Jeff Bezos to employees

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I'll try "Places I wouldn't want to work" for 400K, Alex.

It's funny how differently people respond to that type of stuff. I grew up playing pretty competitive sports. Being ripped apart in front of my peers was a once a week occurrence for me for most of my life. I had no interest in doing it to anyone else, but it didn't seem like a big deal, and didn't bother me much. My first job was at a company where it happened a lot. I didn't realize how toxic it was until I started…

Yep. Not sports here, but military. I will take a dressing down, public or otherwise, over office politics and some of the corporate shenanigans that I have encountered in my private sector career. Give it to me straight, let me know how bad I fucked up, and what we can do to fix it, or walk me out the door.

That said, I also understand that this doesn't work for alot of people.

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