Immediately. And recently begun idly wondering if people are going to be jumping the queue. (and how they might do so...)
Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do these vaccines prevent a person from spreading the virus? I've heard a number of times that these will prevent the person who got the vaccine from getting sick, but that it won't prevent them from spreading the disease. If that is the case then I could understand why a young healthy person would not want the vaccine as the risk to them from covid is extremely low.
Nothing is 100% yes or no, but it's safe to say that the vaccine helps reduce the spread of the virus. Vaccinated people can spread the virus on a (there's a better term for this) surface level, which is why it's still important for them to wear masks and wash hands. Hypothetical example of how it can spread: an infected person sneezes on a vaccinated person right in the face. That vaccinated person then rubs his fac…
>>Vaccinated people can spread the virus on a (there's a better term for this) surface leveli think you are looking for "disease vectoring"
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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You mean the admin that funded and fast-tracked the development and trials?
You mean the admin that encouraged people not to wear masks? The one that downplayed the virus at every opportunity? The one that held rallies without masks required, but still had people sign waivers in case they got sick? Is it that one, or some other administration you’re thinking of?
You have a good counter. To add to "don't wear masks" though - WHO, CDC, Fauci all had poor and inaccurate guidance as well. It's like none of these experts have sane defaults when they don't know about something. Kind of hard to believe, really.
Then when they're wrong - they say "oh yeah we lied, we didn't want a run on masks for health workers". Such BS. They didn't know non-surgical/non-(k)n95 masks could be useful.
It's ok to admit when you're wrong. Better than saying you lied. Especially when there's enough distrust of government.
The US administration is culpable. But so are the experts. People need to be able to trust their experts.
Separately - I find it ridiculous we have people that are all about science, except when their agenda conflicts.
We end up with exceptions for religion. Exceptions for protests. Exceptions for filming movies. Whatever. If you have enough influence or can cause enough outrage about something you can get your way.
Nobody has the balls to take hard stances. They create these illogical plans based on who is influencing them.
Is there any official who was consistent and pragmatic with their pandemic plan?
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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> ”then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague)” Many such people will have antibodies already. As do I. I’ll get the vaccine if it becomes a requirement to travel or whatever, but I see no need for it in the short term if you’re low risk and already had Covid.
Having antibodies does not guarantee immunity. We don’t have enough information yet to say how protected someone might be from being infected again if they have antibodies to the virus. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/anti... How long IgM and IgG antibodies remain detectable following infection is not known. ... it remains uncertain to what degree and for how long individuals with antibodies (…
Fauci says reinfection isn't an issue he is concerned about.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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1. mRNA technology has been in varying phases of human trials since 2013. The trials conducted by Pfizer and Moderna were absolutely massive compared to normal study sizes. While this will be the first mass-distribution vaccine using the technology, it's not untested. Further, the results so far suggest it's far more effective than the Oxford vaccine. 2. It's really curious to see people saying, on the one hand, that…
Hi, Your post is insightful, but it could really do without the inflammatory death-wishing in 2a.
wishing someone is not around != a wish for that someone to be dead.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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Assuming this is a good faith question: while this is not guaranteed, it is highly likely a vaccine will prevent disease transmission (given how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines help create an antibody response to coronavirus's spike protein), breaking chains in viral spread. Edit: correction to better reflect the mRNA vaccine mechanism.
Assuming this is a good faith response: Maybe and maybe not. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/health/coronavirus-nasal-... > Without a strong mucosal response, injected vaccines may be less likely to produce so-called sterilizing immunity, a phenomenon in which a pathogen is purged from the body before it’s able to infect cells, Dr. Durbin said. Vaccinated people might be protected from severe disease, but could st…
I’ve also read that levels of exposure inversely correlate to outcomes: all else being equal, being exposed to less virus leads to better outcomes.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#707It's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.
It's my civic duty not to, because people are trying to make it mandatory and we have to set a precedent that mandating it is unacceptable.
I honestly think I would have said otherwise a year ago. But after seeing the mishandling of COVID-19, I no longer have faith in my countries ability to use emergency powers scientifically.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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Its a good question let me answer - some people can't get the vaccine. Right now, it's banned for people with allergies. Babies can't get it. For some people, they can never get it due to their immune system. Their only chance is never coming into contact with a contagious person, so that means as many of us need to get the vaccine as possible to ensure that doesn't happen.
Where is it banned for people with allergies? Source?
From the UK 2 days ago: “People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab, regulators say.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55244122
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
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I am not sure I follow. I understand that people have the right to reject the vaccine, but it doesn't mean that I on principle should reject it as well. If you don't want to take it for any reason whatsoever, fair enough. It's your right. But at least be honest and defend your choice on its own instead of hiding behind some "principle" that doesn't really exist.
The principle is simply: It is important to exercise our rights . In a different circumstance, I would probably only get it for convenience, because I don’t really believe in messing with peoples’ immune systems without a much clearer benefit. I’m not convinced about the long-term public health benefit of flu shots either. You may disagree, which would not surprise me. But again, that thinking is irrelevant in this c…
You should really find the comments I made on the thread before jumping to any conclusions about whether I disagree or not.
The point I'm trying to understand is that you are basically saying "I am not getting because I don't want to and it is within my rights to not take it", which is totally fine. But I am failing to see how this is a "principled" statement. It's like saying "I will smoke a pack of cigarettes in my bathtub because I am free to do so". Claiming any "principle" stand there is based at best in circular logic.
Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
#710Not only yes, but fuck yes.
We could have knocked this way down by wearing masks. As a long distance truck driver I see few people wearing masks, mostly counter workers who want to keep their jobs. A few truckers who want to get into the store, a few more "civilians." I see a lot of freedom fighters daring anyone to say something to them.
California is about the best I've seen.
I always wear a mask except when I'm in the truck, regardless of signs, and regardless of whatever a state's rules are at the moment.
Since we're not going to wear masks, the vaccine is our only hope.
I want to prevent my infection, for myself obviously, but equally so that I don't spread to anyone.
If a problem is discovered ... I'm old, and I've lived long enough. I'd be happy to contribute that bit of data.