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YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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What if collaboration on opensource projects (i.e. hosting, issues and their comments) was decentralized instead of relying on a central entity like Github? That would keep the developer base active and make DMCA takedowns ineffective.

Git seems like a great candidate for hosting through TOR; it's super low bandwidth. I often find myself wondering why DMCA'd fan projects don't just switch to anonymous TOR hosting. Obviously it's not bulletproof, but if it's just copyright holders you have to worry about and not state actors then it seems like a great solution.

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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In the case of youtube-dl, they couldn't do that. At least VEVO videos have an additional layer of "protection" — the direct links to video files require a signature of some sort IIRC. Downloading a non-DRM-ed video is as easy as making a request to https://www.youtube.com/get_video_info?video_id=aqz-KE-bpKQ and then following a link to the format you need, but with those music videos, that won't work. So the test ca…

Hmm, are you sure that link is correct? In firefox and chromium that gets me about 122K of not-very-easy-to-parse text.

Yes, it's correct and it should return that. The top-level serialization format is simply a URL query string aka application/x-www-form-urlencoded. No idea why but probably historical reasons.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Also, does the fact that YouTube doesn't supply a download feature constitute a "technical protection measure"? From the RIAA's point of view, it works to their benefit that a download link doesn't exist, and it may be something they like, but that doesn't mean that's why. It could just as easily be that a download feature doesn't exist because YouTube wants you to keep returning to their site if you want to rewatch…

> Also, does the fact that YouTube doesn't supply a download feature constitute a "technical protection measure"? My understanding is that basically anything at all, if it is in any way "technical" and shows intent, will be accepted as a "technical protection measure" if you go by what has worked so far. Much more absurd and blatantly bad faith arguments have been accepted, "conspicuously not supplying the feature" i…

I mean it has to be that way because it would be silly to lose copyright protection just because you have crappy security.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #329

The removal of youtube-dl is a loss to the open source community. I hope this does not set a precedence going forward and that authors re-establish themselves (and the bug tracker, which had immense amount of information). At the same time, this lead me to browse the Github's DMCA repo, which has some real gems. For example, this DMCA takedown of repo with copied course assignment of a different student and did not c…

I remember back in 2008 I read a research paper on what to not do when publishing/advertising peer-to-peer networks in order to avoid stuff such as RIAA. Showing copyright-protected work in your website/screenshots/etc was a big thing. Sadly I cannot find the paper anymore and I don't remember all the advice :( If someone here with a good research-paper-search-fu can find the paper, it would help help our community a…

I only found the p2p08 conference: https://dblp.uni-trier.de/db/conf/p2p/p2p2008.html

But none of the papers look like what you've been talking about.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #105
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Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…

Napster wasn't merely a tool it was a centralized service that provided an index of infringing files and where to get them. It both directly assisted in the act of infringement it profited from same.

You used the words "unintended side effect" in quotes but I am unaware of where that comes from while I am familiar with the term "substantial non-infringing use" and "contributory copyright infringement"

Youtube-dl neither assists nor profits from copyright infringement and it possesses arguably non infringing uses.

- You can download non infringing videos. Youtube-dl works on a variety of sites beyond youtube

- If you feed mpv a url it will transparently use youtube-dl to handle fetching the media for playback. Unless you specifically tell it to this does not permanently save the video and is not materially different from watching the video on firefox.

Mpv incidentally uses far less resources for decoding video even with newly added hardware decoding in linux.

- You can consume the same video you are allowed to access on a different device or in a situation wherein you lack network access. For example one could watch and then delete a youtube video one wanted to watch on the train where you lacked internet access. This is analogous to format or time shifting which have been deemed fair use.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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How can a program be in violation of DMCA? Is a knife in violation of the criminal justice system because some people use it to kill and therefore no one can use it anywhere, ever? How ridiculous.

I don't get why you where downvoted. the analogy is pretty accurate. knifes are utilities which can be used to kill. guns are made for killing only.

There are plenty of legitimate uses for youtube-dl. There is even fair use in the US. How can i make fair use, eg. remix or a commentary if i can't access the videos outside of youtube.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #361

What is the simplest way to store source code repos in some decentralized file system? Like store git repo in IPFS folder, would others be able to clone it and submit pull requests?

it's already decentralized. now developers just need to setup a different remote. as in git remote add whatever. the problem is how to publish the software.

What will server as the 'whatever'?

I'm speaking exactly about decentralized publishing. Where the repository is mirrored in content addressed network, so there is no specific location(s) to take down.

(I realize it is problematic, because even with content addressed mirroring, the people who actually host the replicas of the content, can be accused of distributing prohibited content, but still it's more difficult to censor, and maybe those problems are solvable).

Just curious.

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