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Post by heartbeats »

jancsika wrote: post #698
prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

> I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. And with this specific case, I'm with you on your hill. But more broadly we're usually not talking about the web from the late 90s. We're talking about a handful of modern social networks most of which use of anti-democratic dark patterns. And algorithms that are known to push a given percentage of users down a rabbit…

>But that is a much bigger problem IMO and the answer of "more speech" is at most helplessly incomplete wrt it.

Why? Why can't the leftists push people down rabbit holes and make them rabid communists? Serious question.

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Post by djsumdog »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

One of my best friends from high school (in the 90s), highly conservative back then, asked me two years back, about how he was rethinking "this whole free speech thing"

I've lived in 3 countries. I've visited over 15. I had problems with America's foreign war involvement, and the corruption that bled from the Bush years into the Obama years. But I still came back, because despite all our issues, the Freedom to Speak is the bedrock of America and it is the only thing that can truly fight the type of corruption we are seeing today. I wrote this a few weeks ago:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by Natsu »

0xC0ncord wrote: post #493
nobody9999 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How does this constitute hacking? IIUC, the idea is that the whole thing was a setup from start to finish: 1. Burisma emails were hacked; 2. Hunter Biden's iCloud account was hacked; 3. They bought a Mac, dumped a bunch of the hacked photos, along with some real hacked emails and some forged ones; 4. Sent someone over to the computer shop with the frame up on the laptop already in place; 5. Either the store owner wa…

Even if that scenario is true, there is zero evidence to corroborate it, nor has there been any concluded official investigation into the matter. I don't think it's fair for Twitter to execute that portion of their policy based on assumption alone.

Meanwhile Steve Scully was suspended, reportedly because his twitter account was not hacked, as previously claimed, so sometimes the "hack" claims are spurious and need time to be sorted out.

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Post by BearsAreCool »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

A lot of us spent a fair bit of time on hardcore free speech platforms and "saw what that got us" with cesspools like the various internet chans. A society that doesn't police itself is anarchy, and that really isn't helpful for any civil discussion or learning. While there should be no rules in private between friends etc, public forums need restrictions in order to have some level of functionality without descending into flamewars.

The hill I'd really worry about with free speech is when punk hacker types turn on encryption, the current ultimate guard ensuring free speech.

Edit note: I'm not pro the twitter blocking of the article, especially not in DMs as some have noted is occurring. I'm just slightly disillusioned to unlimited speech on the internet superhighway thanks to trolls, flamebaiters, frauds, and more.

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Post by marcusverus »

foolinaround wrote: post #685
sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

1) Was this Twitter policy new as in the last few days? 2) If not, how did they treat the NYT's Trump tax papers ( clearly hacked from some sources, since it was not revealed). For all one knows, at the time of release, it could have been fake? 3) Does twitter/FB have processes to identify hacked material? For these reasons, @jack's explanation is not being accepted.

It's fascinating to see papers like Washington Post turn their noses up at the Post story because they haven't independently corroborated it, yet they were immediately citing the NYT Tax story as gospel with no indication that they had independently corroborated the legitimacy of that evidence (I tracked down their first articles on the topic via Google News and found nothing indicating that they were able to independently verify the validity of the documents).

This being the same newspaper that was forced to settle a lawsuit after defaming a minor in seven articles by lying about an interaction he had with a protestor--even though the encounter had been recorded and was freely available online.

These are the folks who are sticklers for independent corroboration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/washington-po...

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Post by Natsu »

patagurbon wrote: post #206
rayiner wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is hacked emails, doesn’t that prove the article is credible?

Any subset of it could've been fabricated or modified to for the narrative.

Let's see if the emails have DKIM validation again.

If there's a body hash (bh) parameter, then you can pull the DKIM key from DNS and prove one way or another whether it went through a mailserver with that DKIM private key.

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Post by wobbegongz »

untog wrote: post #237
Tallasatree wrote: post #214

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've been watching this happen for a few years now, and some of us are actively paving the road.

It cuts both ways, though. The road to hell (totally censored internet) is paved with good intentions (trying to clamp down on misinformation). But the road to hell (a society full of dangerously misinformed citizens) is also paved with good intentions (trying to keep the internet free of censorship). I guess my point is that none of this is actually easy to navigate. Anyone saying "censor the story, it's no big deal…

All roads lead to hell?

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Post by disown »

DevKoala wrote: post #290

Incredibly disappointed. I had never seen such a concerted effort to hide information in the USA. Is this how it feels to live under the CCP’s control?

> Incredibly disappointed. I had never seen such a concerted effort to hide information in the USA.

Go read some history. Lincoln shut down hundred of newspapers during the civil war. Or the Red Scare/McCarthyism. The jim crow south for 100 years.

> Is this how it feels to live under the CCP’s control?

If the "CCP" had any control how come they allow so many posts about "CCP" all over social media?

If russia or china had the level of control people are claiming, they aren't doing a good job exercising that control. Now israel and saudi arabia...

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Post by throwawaygh »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

But were you ever a member of a forum that didn’t moderate? Even bbs’s had moderation (although slightly less necessary).

The internet I remember had “host your own website” type freedom, not “you can say whatever yo want anywhere you want” freedom. But then, people back then didn’t equate using some company’s platform with publishing. No, publishing meant setting up your own thing.

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Post by om2 »

sangnoir wrote: post #203
CivBase wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this constitute hacking? The repair shop almost certainly retains ownership of unclaimed deviced after some period of time. The shop owns the laptop. The data is theirs to do with as they please and they chose to publish it (at least, that's the story). No hacking necessary.

> The data is theirs to do with as they please. No hacking necessary. I'd love to see the jurisprudence on this. If there are any photos, do they also get the copyrights? Can they share any nudes they find? How about that Adobe license? As a non-lawyer, it is clear that owning the medium doesn't mean you own the information on it (or the cloud wouldn't be a thing). If we agree on that, then logically, it is possible…

Copyright violation is not hacking.
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