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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Some users tend to flag stories about China and censorship because they generate a lot of nationalistic and hot headed comments and very little actual intelligent discussion. Just look at the comments attached to this submission.

The submission I linked is not flagged (at least as far as I can see from my account?). Either there's some non-intuitive stuff going on with the way submissions stay on the front page, or HN soft-nuked it. Either way I think we deserve an explanation and a clear understanding of the underlying rules.

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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I'm not sure how reliable the following site is, but it looks like this has been banned at least since 2012, along with a long list of words that I find shockingly restrictive. https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2012/jun/all-blocked-keywords-...

Learned something new today, thanks.

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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As I read it, "this" refers to "a monopoly on communication/speech", not "a monopoly [of any kind]".

Messages had to be transmitted by hand until the telegraph era. The British (or Dutch) India Companies had a stranglehold over shipping -- and thus over communication -- to colonial holdings for much of their existence.

The majority of communication was still local - and importantly, B/D India Company wasn't opening and reading and censoring all the letters they were transporting.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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I also experienced this on numerous Chinese government-related posts in the past, where front page articles were not flagged, but quickly disappeared. Don't really have an explanation. Would be great if @dang can look into this.

I seriously doubt that there’s anything to “look into” from @dang’s perspective. A huge share of his moderation lately is focused on “nationalistic flamewar”, and from his perspective, it’s probably easier for any thread that might tend towards that to just quietly sink off the front page.

Unfortunately it's nowhere near that easy. Some of the stories that overlap with nationalistic flamewar are well on topic for HN. This is one. The recent TSMC stories come to mind. Really there are many of them.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #235

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

google search is a utility class service at this point, a tier below tap water and electricity. the world would be an objectively worse place without it for billions of people. with great power comes great responsibility is how the saying goes, but i can see them fighting tooth and nail to not be labeled as such. same for facebook and others like them.

There is nothing sadder to think of than a desperate man, crawling through the desert, body burned, lips parched, just begging to know what year Ted Nugent was born in.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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I think the solution to this is simple: Pay for every service you use. The question was historically then how do teenagers (or the developing world for that matter) pay for electronic services and cue Facebook and Google.

How would that solve the problem at hand (Google having a near-monopoly on search and video)?

Other than waiting for a superior product to emerge, nothing can be done to stop their monopoly besides seizing the google.com and youtube.com domains and permanently shutting them down.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

The very first multi-national companies were neck deep in looting India and smuggling opium to China. The American founding fathers were very aware of this.

I don't see what this has to do with this conversation. Those companies were not censoring coffee shop or bar conversations of citizens WITHIN the United States.

We aren't talking about economic monopoly exploitation - we're talking about monopoly control over domestic communications.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #309

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The submission I linked is not flagged (at least as far as I can see from my account?). Either there's some non-intuitive stuff going on with the way submissions stay on the front page, or HN soft-nuked it. Either way I think we deserve an explanation and a clear understanding of the underlying rules.

It takes some amount of people flagging it before it shows up as [flagged] but flagging submissions affect rankings before it reaches that point. On top of that "Ask HN" posts also have some modifier on them that makes them drop quicker, these two effects seem to be cumulative, explaining why it dropped so quickly

In addition, I believe HN deranks submissions with a high comment-to-vote ratio, also as a signal of controversy.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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There was a previous unrelated discussion about this just a few hours ago which was climbing to the top of the front page when I saw it. And then just vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264 It's not flagged, it just went from #13 on the front page to invisible. In a single refresh. How does that work? Looking at the votes and age, it should be in the top 5 of both Ask and the front page. What's the m…

HN is extremely corrupt in that way, but don't worry, my reply to you will be flagged and people will continue to ignore HN's extreme biases, and ideological agenda.

Just out of curiosity: what ideological agenda?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage.

Sadly, can't agree. The rules we had in the last decade weren't actually working; they only appeared to work. They looked like they were creating conflict-free environments, but they were really creating environments where, in general, minority populations hate speech was targeted against weren't using the tools or participating in the forums that had a laissez-faire attitude on such things.

>* They looked like they were creating conflict-free environments*

No, they did not. They looked they were creating environments in which inevitable conflict was common, and in which the discussion of that conflict sometimes lead to helpful resolutions and improvements, and sometimes did not.

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