Can someone do an ELI5? There is so much confusion and speculation that I can't figure out what the hell is going on.
EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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#702Copyright is a contract between two groups where a copyright holder dictates the terms under which their material may be used or duplicated. If the receiving party to that material violates those terms (say they've received a movie screener for an unreleased film and leaked it), they are in violation of that contract and should pay the fees dictated in their contract. To argue that all parties everywhere should be fo…
I like your idea, but it's hardly the case currently. If you find a book on the ground, or read it in a library, or learn of its contents any number of ways without entering into even an implicit contract with the copyright holder, you are not then entitled to publish the contents without limit.
>I like your idea
It's the only peaceful way to govern copyright.
>but it's hardly the case currently.
You should advocate it to be the case or else you will suffer more and more socialized enforcement of a contract in which you are not a party.
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I may be naive in saying this, but I believe the law is made with good intentions in mind. The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. > Much of YouTube content is (perfectly legal) remixes, responses, or criticisms of other YouTube content that embeds part of the referenced video in their own video. As weird as it sounds, you are wrong. In a s…
> I believe the law is made with good intentions in mind I disagree, no other utility is blamed for the actions of its users, if I use an electric drill to hurt some one I am at fault not my electricity provider, but if I do something illegal on the internet like piracy its some how my internet providers fault? I also don't like making excuses for policy makers who "don't understand the internet", its not the 90s, ig…
if I use an electric drill to hurt some one I am at fault not my electricity provider
The physical equivalent is more like you sending pirated dvd's through the mail to your entire neighborhood. The equivalent law would then require the post office to check all packages upon sending to verify that they contain only content which is not pirated, which for privacy reasons they do in an automated way that sometimes blocks the package with the family movie you're sending to your mom (because your daughter was wearing mickey mouse ears and the automated check thought it was a disney movie).
Oftentimes when you physicalize online legislation it becomes apparent just how invasive and silly it is.
Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’
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> if you get dragged to court because you got the email at 1AM and you were asleep, then you're not guilty of anything Getting dragged to court is disruptive, unsettling and expensive.
And the other party will be found guilty of disrupting your business by having you get into court for complaints without legal grounds.
How often you hear about people being prosecuted for falsely flagging content as offensive online? How often you hear about prosecutions about false copyright infringement notifications? The latter happens only very rarely in cases of blatant abuse, usually coupled with massive fraud and other crimes (never happens to automatic systems big IP holders use, they just write it off as innocent error in 100% of the cases), the former happens never.
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> This continent is a mess in terms of IT, with a few exceptions (London, Berlin, Dublin, some spots in Eastern Europe). So... pretty much like the US (with a few exceptions like Silicon Valley or Austin, Tx)?
I honestly don't understand why people keep comparing the culture of American cities and states to European ones. America is one giant country - the EU isn't. The cultural differences between Detroit and, say, San Francisco is miniscule compared to differences between London and Berlin. Not every city in America is San Francisco, Seattle, or Austin, but neither one state nor one city is as technologically dysfunction…
> The cultural differences between Detroit and, say, San Francisco is miniscule compared to differences between London and Berlin.
As someone who's spent a significant amount of time in each of those cities and all around both the US and Europe, I can firmly state that this is _not_ true.
The cultural differences between European cities is vastly overrated. On the other hand, the differences across the US - particularly differences between urban metropolitan areas and everywhere else - are massively understated.
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> the other party will be found guilty of disrupting your business This all sounds quite lucrative for the lawyers and notaries. It remains disruptive, unsettling and expensive, not to mention unnecessary, for everyone else. Depending on which of the EU’s 28 member states’ courts one finds oneself dragged into, what you’re proposing could be years of distraction.
>It remains disruptive, unsettling and expensive, not to mention unnecessary Nobody will do this, no sane legal department signs this off or approves of such behavior. Doing otherwise is a great way to incinerate their legal licenses. There are fines for behavior like that. The best outcome for the suing party of such a scenario is a 5 minute court room appearance in which the judge slaps you with a restraining order…
> There are fines for behavior like that.
In theory, there are. In practice, the abuse of both copyright and offensive content notifications is rampant and almost never punished. You have to get to real hardcore crime on massive scale before judicial system starts noticing, and even then it can take years and a lot of effort to get it to do anything. In most cases, such abuse is completely unpunished or gets slap on the wrist.
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I'm wondering if you can elaborate. I haven't heard this argument before.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/gdpr-and-us-ediscovery-...
The article itself cites GDPR, Arts. 6(1)(c) which, aside from 6(1)(f), are exactly the provisions that can and should be used to comply with the GDPR while allowing for U.S. discovery. The rest of the text reads like scaremongering to me.
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The commenter you are quoting has not realized there are two problematic articles (11. and 13.) and that the "memes" story is for article 13 not 11. The entire point of art. 11 is to transfer money from Google News (and other aggregators, like Facebook) to publishers. This also covers search.
> The entire point of art. 11 is to transfer money from Google News (and other aggregators, like Facebook) to publishers. The latest version of Google News has already solved this: it only shows the title and the image, not a single sentence from the article itself, – which was the main concern in Spain and Germany when the relevant laws were introduced. Facebook and Twitter shouldn't face any issues as well, because…
Sadly I still can't access Google News (in the normal way) from Spain though. The notice that it's closed due to the law is still there.
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Well, of course the law applies to them too. But what happens in the instances that they don't comply? Laws are enforced by incentive structures, such as punishment. Who gets punished or otherwise incentivized to make PeerTube comply with the law, and what effect will that have on the functioning of PeerTube?
There are three main ways to do P2P content distribution. One is like BitTorrent, where you only host the content you yourself wanted. This has obvious privacy issues. Anyone can tell what you read/view based on what you host. The second is you distribute content to random hosts, who don't even know what it is (so they can't associate it with whoever is downloading it). This solves the privacy problem and has adequat…
Thats so depressing that we have to have serious discussions about technical countermeasures against our oppressive EU regime. Just because of some old ignorant evil assholes. Time to leave the EU I suppose.
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#710This is wrong on more levels than it seems from the first glance: 1) I've witnessed creeping internet censorship starting just like this: first it's something as innocuous as "let's protect creators" or "let's protect children from harmful content", then 6 years later you can't criticize the government. They've just created a legal framework for massive automated censorship, and also Overton window was moved. I expec…
TV, storefront and voting. The latter can then be abused to pretend the public agrees.
I totally agree with both of you.
"If you are using the internet to actually learn, you are using it wrong, that is why internet must be reduced to TV + storefront."
Regarding voting too: just compare the number of bits per ballot (log2() of valid number of ways of filling in the ballot) with the number of bits of compressed text of all changes in law during a term. It's not a vote or voice, the information flows in the opposite direction. It just projects the law on our supposed desire. demokratia or demophimia (muzzling/gagging of the people)?