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Post by Xylakant »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #614
foxylad wrote: post #529

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> It's an outrage that businesses that want to enjoy all the benefits of selling to the public can discriminate against members of that public for any spurious or bigoted reason they like. I have a problem with this, because in effect it is saying that if you want to be in business, you have to check your principles at the entrance. I do run a business, and I do reserve the right to withhold service from people whose…

> I have a problem with this, because in effect it is saying that if you want to be in business, you have to check your principles at the entrance. Well, welcome to the club! Other noteable groups objecting to their principles being regulated by a government office include Masterpiece Cakeshop of Lakewood, CO, and Memories Pizza of Walker, IN. (For the moment, disregard the likes of Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of…

You're missing out on option 4: People can't discriminate on properties that the person they are doing business with can't pick or change (gender, sexual orientation, color of skin, hair, size of nose ...) but can discriminate on properties that the person in question did choose or could change (voicing the desire to kill or suppress large parts of the population, affiliation with nazis or just being an idiot in general).

Your notable groups are not required or regulated in any way that would require them to print a swastika on a cake or a Hitler face on their pizza if the customer ask so. They are, however, required to serve queer and non-queer people of all skin tones. There is indeed a difference between these kinds of discrimination.

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Post by Houshalter »

ajuc wrote: post #631
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

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The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

> "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ " Calling for persecution of literal inciting of violence is hardly a "extremist left" idea. In fact it's not even left-or-right issue.

Inciting violence is already illegal and no one is defending it.

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Post by EJTH »

thedrbrian wrote: post #660
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Do /pol/ actually sympathise with the Nazis or are they just trying and getting a rise out of people ?

/pol/ is not one person and it is in no way an organized movement. Some obviously sympathizes, other are edgelords. /pol/ seems like one of the last places where you can actually have a conversation with political adversaries without risking getting banned / shadowbanned or downvoted to obvlivion for having violated some snowflake safespace.

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Post by icebraining »

camillomiller wrote: post #676
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

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The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

The right to your own ideas is not an absolute. It's a pact you have to respect and it involves respecting other people rights first. Neonazi and white supremacist are betraying this social pact by furthering the idea of a superior race and the extermination of the different, that's why they're walking a really thin line when it comes to their right to First Amendment protection. You just resorted to what I call "the…

The First Amendment was instituted by literal slave holders. When did this requirement to (intellectually) respect the rights of others appear?

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Post by darpa_escapee »

thedrbrian wrote: post #660
Akujin wrote: post #573

We take down Al Qaeda terrorist websites all the time because they can be used to radicalize people. Nazis are no different. They are calling for the systematic violent overthrow of the US government and for the extermination of many millions of so called undesirables. This is a terrorist threat. I take this threat very seriously as do many people in the Jewish, Hispanic, and African American community. There are lit…

Do /pol/ actually sympathise with the Nazis or are they just trying and getting a rise out of people ?

It's a mixture of teenagers trying out shock humor, people trying to be ironic, people who don't identify as Nazis but certainly identify with many of their ideals and straight up Nazis. There's a lot of abyss-gazing that pushes people over the edge into extremism.

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Post by Ygg2 »

jmnicolas wrote: post #649
imbur wrote: post #643

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Daily stormer, pol, and breitbart are all free to find another web host/CDN or start their own. There is no slippery slope with one business refusing to do business with another one. The business does not need to be accountable to anyone, because they have no requirement to host the daily stormer in the first place.

So a baker could refuse to make a cake for homosexuals then ?

Look. We only apply those rules for sides we like.

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Post by Ygg2 »

Larrikin wrote: post #554
Consultant32452 wrote: post #547

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If you operate on public infrastructure, like being granted public right of ways to lay fiber, I think you lose the right to discriminate. This feels good because Nazis are assholes but it sets a very dangerous precedent. This is why the ACLU has a long history of defending Nazis and their ilk. Because one day it will be you on the other side. We should all discriminate against Nazis by denouncing them, ignoring them…

What happened last time the Nazis were ignored?

Look on the bright side. The last time they were banned - 1939.

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Post by matt4077 »

snovv_crash wrote: post #678
tr352 wrote: post #656

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> A -> B does not imply !B -> !A A -> B does imply !B -> !A. The error in reasoning here seems to be that attitude towards a website is assumed to be a binary "like/not like" variable, while in reality one can also neither like nor dislike something.

No it doesn't. Just because you tell me you don't like to get shot doesn't mean you are ok with being stabbed.

While it pains me to admit: They're actually right, and I was wrong above.

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Post by icelancer »

Akujin wrote: post #625
illuminati1911 wrote: post #615

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The last sentence is the main reason why the world is so fucked up today. "Unless you agree with my radical leftist agenda you are a nazi/racist/ "-mentality and the complete unreasonability of the left is the reason why normal people are fed up with all this crap and are voting for Trump, Brexit etc. No matter how evil some group is (may they be pedophiles, satan worshippers, nazis, whatever...) silencing them and a…

The first sentence is the main reason we are so fucked. There's literally nothing radical or leftist in what I said. Nazism is literally responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths world wide. Fact. You know how I know you're actually a shill? > And don't even start with the car-thing. An individual psycho does not compare to organized widely accepted violence. Whataboutism in literally the next paragraph: > What…

>Whataboutism

This is not what the parent is employing. The parent commenter is saying that if you enable arbitrary lines in the sand that those in power WILL ENGAGE in Whataboutism, taking the corner case of "we're just going to ban Nazi speech" and stuffing the precedent down the throats of the courts until it sticks close enough.

As the parent commenter said, there is enough evidence to show that there are violent sects of BLM and other groups that promote equality, and that might just be enough to get the corner case precedent to hammer and crush the same freedom of assembly we just happened to carve out for white supremacists.

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Post by danenania »

EJTH wrote: post #691
matttproud wrote: post #591

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^^^ The parent comment hits the ball out of the park. The commentary on past posts on HN and elsewhere floors me. It seems one or two things are prevalent: 1. Folks will gladly loan the hangman the rope that he will use to hang you, your family, and your neighbors — all because of "purity of belief" in free speech. Sorry, hate to break it to you, but these illiberal forces are a clear and present danger to this comfo…

> They won't politely tolerate you. Deviants will be chastised, expelled/expatriated, jailed, or killed. Ignoring prudence (preservation of self and the society at-large) is perilous. Except I never really seen a 'neonazi' saying "punch a communist" I never seen mass media encourage such behavior either. Do you not realize that this is cyclic reinforcement of behavior? (Antifa says punch nazis, nazis punch back, anti…

Just calling yourself a Nazi or doing the chants or whatever carries with it an implicit provocation and threat of violence toward minority groups.

Responding with actual violence in turn is not the right approach, but when we see large armed mobs forming and declaring themselves pro-genocide, it's absurd to call the people protesting them the 'real problem'.

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