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What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by brockers »

PKop wrote: post #389

As a Trump supporter many of the comments resonated. In regards to upholding and celebrating American culture I always have this thought: Why do silicon valley types promote the concept of a "company culture" and feel it's important enough to base hiring decisions on, while demeaning those that want to uphold and sustain their own country's culture in the same manner? You hear it time and time again when a CEO stress…

Your argument is exceedingly well reasoned. I would love to hear a countervailing opinion to compare it to. Can someone please post a thoughtful reply to PKop main point?

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Post by gizmo »

splintercell wrote: post #584
gizmo wrote: post #469

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Do you know a single person --regardless of religion-- who supports honor killing? Of course not. This is just an excuse to engage in fear mongering about Islam, and no good will come of that. Essentially the issue here is that some people want to say racist or bigoted things without being ostracized for it. Like you could in the good old days, when everybody was racist. So now there is this big backlash, but it won'…

> Do you know a single person --regardless of religion-- who supports honor killing? Of course not. This is just an excuse to engage in fear mongering about Islam, and no good will come of that. Bad logic, I don't know a single person who supports White Nationalism but that doesn't mean they are not there. Also most honor killing isn't really a calm and rational following of a religious edict like "Today is Sabbath s…

I said this person doesn't know anybody who is okay with honor killing, therefore there is nothing to discuss. Everybody he knows already agrees it's bad, so the only thing the discussion accomplishes is making Muslims look barbaric, and that's gross.

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Post by SnowFace »

freen wrote: post #476
SnowFace wrote: post #328

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Show me where Trump is racist. Show me just one example.

Lost federal racial discrimination lawsuit. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/855553

He settled the case, not lost. He also was never accused of discrimination himself, by anybody. Others were. He was the new President of his father's business in an era of witchhunts, and he got dragged into it, but if you look at his actions since then, like desegregating Mar-A-Lago, and hear testimonies from minorities who worked closely with him, like Lynne Patton, you don't see a record of a racist.

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Post by SnowFace »

st3v3r wrote: post #594
SnowFace wrote: post #328

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Show me where Trump is racist. Show me just one example.

His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. And you are clearly not interested in any kind of discussion. You are simply trying to justify to yourself that, despite supporting someone who is clearly an abhorrent person, you are not an abhorrent person. And I'm not buying it.

> His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists.

His entire spiel was spun up by the media. If you go back to what he actually said, in context, it's hard to find anything wrong. Show me an example.

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Post by Arizhel »

freen wrote: post #360

Conservatives are afraid liberals will laugh at them. Maybe tax them a bit more and be nice to brown people with funny names. Liberals are afraid conservatives will take away their health insurance, starve poor folks, destroy the planet, start unfounded invasive wars, end their own bodily self determination. Etc. etc.

Conservatives are afraid that liberals will change society so that being Christian isn't the default, and so that Christians can't use their group-think against everyone and pass religion-based laws. They're also afraid that liberals will change society so that homosexuality and transgenderism are accepted and they can't abuse and ostracize people like this. Finally, conservatives are also afraid that liberals will change society so that people aren't literally starving to death or dying in the streets if they aren't lucky enough to have a job and medical insurance.

Basically, conservatives want to go back to a time when everyone was nominally Christian, and people were dying left and right due to malnutrition and lack of access to medical care, because Christianity and social Darwinism go hand-in-hand.

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Post by SnowFace »

spinlock wrote: post #687
st3v3r wrote: post #594

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His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. And you are clearly not interested in any kind of discussion. You are simply trying to justify to yourself that, despite supporting someone who is clearly an abhorrent person, you are not an abhorrent person. And I'm not buying it.

How about stating very publicly that a judge could not be impartial because he's Mexican. That's kinda textbook right there.

Not really. It's 100% standard to dismiss a judge for having a bias. You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation. When you consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans, how the judge is a member of La Rasa, and how he wants to build a wall, bias is a very valid concern.

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Post by flukus »

Mithaldu wrote: post #690
austenallred wrote: post #676

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So by supporting Clinton would you implicitly be agreeing to bombing children in Syria? That's just a silly line of reasoning

There is no subtlety in Pence's actions on the needle program. PS: Bernie would've been the sane choice for your country. But hey, what can you do in a two party system.

You avoided the question entirely, does your vote for Clinton mean you implicitly agree to bombing children in Syria?

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Post by flukus »

dguaraglia wrote: post #323
cylinder wrote: post #160

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Same thing, even with long-time friends, if I am trying to counter their hysteria (they're reading and sharing "fake news," too, and I just want to point out the inaccuracy of their statements or test them with logic, I'm called an "alt-right fascist." Honestly, the level of discourse in this country is an absolute joke. It doesn't matter what side you are on.

The fact that you are using the term "hysteria" tells me that you've been reading your own brand of fake news ("get it? They are hysterical, like women on their period! harharhar!"). Maybe if you are intellectually honest and discuss topics instead of talking points, you might get a different response. I've had some pleasant discussions with Trump supporters when we actually talked about real problems (not imagined t…

Looking at all the anti-trump protesters on the news, hysteria is how I would describe it.

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Post by Mithaldu »

flukus wrote: post #707
Mithaldu wrote: post #690

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There is no subtlety in Pence's actions on the needle program. PS: Bernie would've been the sane choice for your country. But hey, what can you do in a two party system.

You avoided the question entirely, does your vote for Clinton mean you implicitly agree to bombing children in Syria?

I'm not entirely sure how exactly you get to that exact end result from her. To answer that i'd need to know more. Think you can provide an explanation?

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Post by dragonwriter »

SnowFace wrote: post #706
spinlock wrote: post #687

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How about stating very publicly that a judge could not be impartial because he's Mexican. That's kinda textbook right there.

Not really. It's 100% standard to dismiss a judge for having a bias. You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation. When you consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans, how the judge is a member of La Rasa, and how he wants to build a wall, bias is a very valid concern.

> You can't look at her being Mexican in isolation

Trump's comments on the judge (who is not female, and also is American, not Mexican) did, though after-the-fact rationalizations of the comments by the campaign and other apologists added other considerations.

> you need to consider how the media spun his statements on Mexicans

They didn't: they reported exactly what he said, and they took it at face value.

> how he wants to build a wall

So?

> and how the judge is a member of pro-Latino group La Rasa

"La Raza" is not the name of a pro-Latino group, it's a phrase that is used in the name of many different groups with no organizational relationship. (It is a reference to the post-traditional-race blended identity laid out in Vasconcelos' La Raza Cósmica.)

And, assuming that the Wall is not an anti-Latino policy, why would being a member of a pro-Latino group be a source of bias?

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