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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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post #616

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Brexit re-demonstrated that business interests are ultimately secondary to politics, populist politics especially.

That is how it should be in principle. In this case, the problem is not the political system, it is the politics. (In other words, you get what you vote for.)

Except I didn't. Neither did a majority of my fellow voters.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#702
post #670

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After a period of 6-12 months outside the country, US Green Card holders lose their Green Cards. In a time of grave concern for many green card holders, it's probably better to avoid this sort of inaccurate info. It's freakout time but let's stick to freaking out about true things.

Could you please true up the information?

I'll true it up for you, it is actually worse than you describe.

If you are absent > 6 months you could end up with your green card status listed as 'abandoned', but even if you come back every 6 months that is no guarantee at all that it will not be listed abandoned.

The golden rule seems to be to be more than 6 months per year in the USA, preferably substantially more than 6 months to avoid ambiguity.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#703

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

We've been killing Muslim families in these countries for years, even under Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner.) Like or hate Trump, I'm surprised that now is the time to be outraged. It should've been ages ago.

Obama or any of his predecessors campaign on drone strikes because Muslims? Anyone think Obama carried out drone strikes in order to attack Muslims? Or carried out drone strikes in order to exploit xenophobia for self-interested political reasons?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#704

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

We've been killing Muslim families in these countries for years, even under Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner.) Like or hate Trump, I'm surprised that now is the time to be outraged. It should've been ages ago.

So what? Don't be outraged because we weren't outraged enough before?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#705
post #8

> In doing so, we should not demonize Trump voters—most of them voted for him for reasons other than the promise of a Muslim ban. We need their eventual support in resisting actions like these, and we will not get it if we further isolate them. This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe, a moron, and not deserving of the franchise is not going to help anything. I didn't vo…

This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe Maybe they are not racist homophobes, but they voted a racist homophobe and his cabal into power. They knew that his was one of the expected outcomes. Voting is powerful and you are (co-)responsible for the outcome. If you don't want racist executive orders, don't vote for a racist. Simple as that.

racist homophobes

They used to call Trump also an anti-semite in the same sentence. Now he is down to just a racist and homophobe. Have I missed something?

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On the Christian Broadcasting Network no less. This is morally repugnant.

Yet we never heard from you during the years the Obama administration did the opposite... Syria is over 10% Christian, yet only 56 of the ~10K Syrians let into the country were Christian.

Irrelevant troll.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#707

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

> Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US.

I think that's an overly positive reading of what's happening. If this were an order from a president without a history for explicitly calling for muslim bans, you might be able to read it that way. I think it'd be very debatable even then, but in this situation it's imo a pretty clear step. Not mentioning "muslim majority" in the text itself is just an attempt to make it harder to legally challenge the order (establishment clause and that).

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#708

He clearly stated he would make strong policies regarding immigration. The American people voted for him knowing this and he's following through on it. I'd say “Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States” is a fitting name given everything he has said up to this point. Whether or not you agree, this looks like the democratic process to me. Taking action against his policies after electi…

> why didn't you do this rallying call before he got elected

Before the election, the reported probability of him following through on those actions was 1/3. Now it is 1.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#709

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How do you boycott 60 million random people? The statement was about voters, not companies or other organizations.

seems to me like the comment was obviously about other big decision-makers

would you want to lose your job because your boss said something they shouldnt have? or just something that ~50% of the population disagrees with?

because the companies you are thinking about boycotting very likely have ~50% of their employees who have similar political positions to you. you're hurting them too.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#710

Things companies in tech can do: - Demand to see the detailed plan for TrumpCare. What's it going to cost us? What will it do to our employees? Where are the details? That's what lobbyists are paid to find out. Employers have a big stake in this. - Demand to see the tariff plan. So far, it's all talk, but soon it will be legislation. This has huge impacts for many businesses. Business planning and investment will sta…

One other important thing, especially when trying to persuade someone ambivalent or even in favor of this insanity: appeal to their self-interest.

People who don't see a problem with ethnically cleansing the country of people based on religion or nationality are by definition selfish, immoral and hateful. Thus, as disgusting as this is, you will not persuade them by making appeals to the humanity of the people they hate.

Fortunately, even if one adopts a purely utilitarian "whats-in-it-for-me-view" approach, this policy still makes no sense: rather than "protecting" us from the vanishingly rare occurrence of terrorism, these laws inflame tensions between the west and the entire Islamic world. ISIS thrives on division and Trump has just became their all-time greatest recruiter.

Americans all across the world are now in fact placed in more -- not less -- danger thanks to this racist, hateful, Islamophobic and un-American law.

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