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Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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There's not going to be an answer, of course. I think a good source of data could be the population of retired people. I'm pretty sure if I could afford to be retired, I could easily keep busy the rest of my life.

People who retire earlier die sooner; for each year earlier that one retires, life expectancy is shortened by two months (and the results are robust against different assumptions).[1] This would lead one to believe that working is good for your health. [1] http://freakonomics.com/2012/05/17/retirement-kills-a-new-ma...

But if you hate working, you want to retire as early as possible to have as much non-working time as possible.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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There is no such thing as Basic Income. There is no universal set of basic human needs. People will never be satisfied, no matter what you give them. We can't even agree on the purpose of Basic Income: - Is it an investment/bet that's expected to result in increased productivity? - Is it a way to preserve humanity? - Is a way to entertain the elite? - Is it just "the right thing to do"? To me, all of this feels like…

>There is no universal set of basic human needs.

Actually, a lot of people have thought about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Financial desperation squeezes the cognitive juice right out of you. In 2013, Harvard researchers did a study of how financial stress affects decision making. Denise Cummins, Ph.D. explains their findings in Psychology Today: "When the cost of [a car] repair was increased to $3,000, a very different picture emerged: The cognitive performance of those at the upper end of the income distribution was unaffected by the i…

"When the cost of [a car] repair was increased to $3,000, the cognitive performance of those at the upper end of the income distribution was unaffected by the increase. But those at the lower end suffered a 40% decline! The authors interpreted this to mean that scarcity impaired people’s ability to think clearly. The threat—even an imagined threat—of a large bill made it difficult for poor people to focus on the cogn…

I have chronic fatigue that, until treated, was quite disabling. I have some other more private health concerns that add up to about twice my rent. If you have a chronic health condition, access to health care is a major and fundamental concern: I just left a job that was killing me, and am temporarily unemployed, and COBRA with a $500 premium is my cheapest option by far. If I hadn't spent the last year saving as much as I could, I'd be in a lot of trouble.

I didn't choose to be sick. I don't want handouts either. I am very fortunate. But I do think it's a damn shame that health insurance is so tightly coupled with employment when employers come and go but your health follows you everywhere. I can't imagine that a public option would be worse than this.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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An element of the future economy that I don't see addressed in this comment thread is the ability of technology to improve our ability to DIY. While AI may replace the need to hire labour, sufficiently shareable DIY technology may replace some of the need for people to consume the resources of others.

Granted advanced manufacturing is likely to stay in specialised facilities, but with open source and self replicating tools we may be able to put power back in the hands of the masses.

An obvious step along this path is 3D printing, but I'd argue that wikihow and other sites are greatly increasing the ability of people to meet their own needs. My own interest is in 3D imaging so that computers can reason about the world more readily, and not just replace jobs but replace skilled labour by augmenting our abilities.

Personally I'm more interested in a future where we use our own machines to live how we choose, rather than be given a stipend to buy the labour of machines controlled by increasingly narrow monopolies.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Things that would help everyone, regardless of income, without depending on a radical restructuring of entitlement spending, that seem like things startups could actually do: * Equally credible alternatives to university education for professions that don't involve students shouldering $100k-$200k in debt based on decisions they have to make when they're 18 years old. * Empirical, blinded, skills-assessment based tur…

Equally credible alternatives to university education for professions that don't involve students shouldering $100k-$200k in debt based on decisions they have to make when they're 18 years old. Why not just free university education for people who have the prerequisite academic qualifications?

I hail originally from Spain, a country with extremely cheap college education compared to the US. Did free college provide better outcomes? Only to a point. Spain is a country with over 20% unemployment. The country is full of people with college degrees who can't get a job anywhere near their field. Given that degrees are so common, they become artificial gates: You are asked for a degree to do jobs that do not need a degree at all!

How do you really find a good job then? Mostly through family networking. And who has a good family network? The same kids that could afford college regardless. Many college educations are just years wasted, not unlike bad degrees in the US. No matter how many people might think about the wonders of classical educations, and how college taught them to learn, and similar drivel, in practice, those things only matter if you have opportunities handed to you anyway. For people that do not get the opportunities, college is only helpful if it helps them get the opportunities! Whether that's through non-family networking, or because what they studied in college is something in demand in the job market.

When studying the effects of any policy change, we have can't just stop at the first level: We have to see how the rest of the world will react to the primary results to the policy change. It's a bit how student loans didn't really make it that much easier to go to college: What they really did was make all colleges a lot more expensive, making a mistake in major and/or institution that much more dangerous. I think of a friend of mine, Ph.D in Biology with a 6 figure college debt, and no good American jobs that would take her. She's teaching technical english in Japan, because it pays marginally better than her American options! All those years of study, all that money, to go unused, along with being saddled with terrible debt.

So all I am saying is, bad outcomes can happen in a whole lot of cases. Want better outcomes? Create more jobs.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Joke answer: totally, if you're going to play seriously! Serious answer: besides the ongoing need of the 'elite' for childcare, most proponents of basic income argue that people would not just play video games all day. If you think about everything you or other people might want to do in your free time today, even - how many of those would you prefer to do without simultaneously minding children?

>Serious answer: besides the ongoing need of the 'elite' for childcare, most proponents of basic income argue that people would not just play video games all day. Unfortunately this is not the case. What do students who live on student loans and/or parental stipend as a "basic income" do? You can expect more of that when the government becomes the parent doling out the stipend.

Has anyone measured what percentage of students actually just waste all their time on video games?

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Ask HN: What can startups do to increase prosperity for everyone?...but decreasing the cost of living as well.

I note decreasing the cost of living is by definition deflation. Preventing deflation is an explicit objective of central banks around the world.

I think there are gaps in our economic knowledge. There are different types of deflation, such as deflation through technology, deflation through a economy restructuring itself, deflation through cyclical unemployment. Central banks don't differentiate between them, and do all they can to prevent all of them from happening. It's like taking immune system suppressants because the white blood cell count is high, no matter the situation, even when it's high because you've got a cold.

Therefore, I think startups that can be involved in increasing our knowledge of the economics can increase prosperity for everyone, so central banks don't perform actions that prevent people from becoming prosperous.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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> Products that offer serious competition for incumbents in the financial sector to bid down the 7-10% of the economy taken by financial services. The limiting factor here is the regulatory regime, which makes it all but impossible to move money around without using a bank as an intermediary. That gives the banking cartel effective veto power on all new financial services. The key reform here is to separate the movem…

I think you're reading this suggestion more ambitiously than I intend. I'm just saying that financialization has eaten up more and more of the economy while providing a dubious return on investment and creating a large NYC-based elite, and that anything startups can do to bid the costs of financing businesses down will probably help.

That's actually pretty much what I understood you to mean (though I actually read it more narrowly than that). What I'm saying, broadly, is that the "large NYC elite" has achieved regulatory capture to the point where it is effectively impossible for any startup to enter the market. This is the reason that they can continue to eat up more and more of the economy while providing a dubious ROI.
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