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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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I think the world would be better if, before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. Because 'political correctness' isn't the cancer at the heart of social politics, it is straw-manning. On both sides of every issue. I'd be surprised, perhaps even amazed, if Dr Piper had represented the complaint in any way…

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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post #530

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That's not data science, that's middle school multiplication. Data science would be trying to find out why and putting it into context, especially if there are variables in play that aren't shown by a cursory look. Which a white supremacist has little interest in.

Nobody wants to study why because they'd be labeled as racists and lose their job the moment any group of crybullies discovered what they were researching. So it goes largely untouched, which only does the actual racists more benefit because they can use and represent the data to fit their narrative because there is no other narrative because nobody wants to touch the data. It's a self-feeding loop.

I'm stealing the term "crybullies". It's beautiful.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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post #693

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> It's hard to explain politics regarding present-day Israel without this context, for example. Not really. The Holocaust wasn't a factor in deciding to build a wall along the West Bank. The suicide bombers that would drive from Ramallah to Tel Aviv and blow themselves up in restaurants were. Europeans and liberals have constructed this narrative that you are espousing. They want to believe that the Holocaust is the…

I'm pretty sure you just illustrated my point.

Oops. Yes, my bad.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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post #699

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In civilized society, yes, people are entitled to be left alone when they ask to be left alone. I am not entitled to your general silence, but you are not entitled to keep bugging me. Please go away.

I consider that I'm entitled to keep talking to you, as long as you keep talking to me. It chafes to be told otherwise. On top of that, you're asking me to do something that you could have accomplished yourself, by simply not asking me to do it. That feels like some kind of bizarre power grab. These things make me want to push back and do the opposite of what you want, just to annoy you. However, very well: I will no…

The difference being, of course, that you approached me. I believe I have the right to be let alone when asked. You believe that you have the right to approach anybody, petulantly insist that they talk about what you want, and then hang around bothering them after being asked to go away. Assertion of boundaries only seems like a bizarre power grab to the irrationally entitled.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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post #6

I think the world would be better if, before you're allowed to respond to someone being wrong, you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. Because 'political correctness' isn't the cancer at the heart of social politics, it is straw-manning. On both sides of every issue. I'd be surprised, perhaps even amazed, if Dr Piper had represented the complaint in any way…

In fact, there's really great data on this same effect. Shankar Vedantam from the Hidden Brain podcast recently talked about this in relation to political arguments and experimentation related to it: http://n.pr/1uL0RAe

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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What of those who are not in college, do we provide them who have experienced these acts a safe space? Are college students, the supposed vanguard of curious minds, closing their minds and reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in?

People outside of college can and absolutely should have access to safe spaces, yes. Why wouldn't/shouldn't they? As for your second question, it's so obviously disconnected from what has been said so far that it's hardly worth even answering. A victim of homophobic intimidation who wants a space free of homophobic intimidation is not "reducing their ability to deal with the world they live in." You're stringing righ…

What are these safe spaces? Houses, then what is a dorm, police stations, then what is campus police offices, or a car, which is available to most students on campus.

What is intimidation in your example? You are projecting a generalized concept that does not have a defined impact on a person. Is it intimidation if someone posts a comment on a website that they are for male/female marriage only, a person yells out a slur on the street, a person walks up to another and says: "We do not like your kind here?" The last item on this list should be the one that a state agency involves itself in as it is the only where physical harm can occur. The others are simply words.

As an aside, in future discussions, try not to resort to simplistic arguments like "right-wing jargon terms" to dismiss an alternative view point. I was worried for a moment you may have a point until I read that.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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post #692

I find it fascinating that a university in the US can be so religious and yet have a curriculum in, say, physics. I hope they do not have conflicts of interest when it comes to use good and gravity in the same sentence.

FYI Newton was a very religious person. Wikipedia even has a whole article dedicated to his religious views.

Newton is from ca. 1700. I am taking about the world today.
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