Emergency situations and natural disasters, where are the discussions? Real life has the two and yet there is no real life discussion of what one should do with a pure electric car. Snow storm his the Midwest and nocks out the power. You need to get someone to the hospital or you work at a hospital how does one get the electricity to ready their vehicle? Electrical core for cars yes but pure electric cars for real world scenarios does not fit.
California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
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Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#72What is the comparison between using energy to generate liquid fuels from atmospheric CO2 (which would be carbon neutral) and trying to electrify the entire transportation sector? Those Los Alamos guys [1] said in 2007 they could get it down to $3.40 a gallon. Okay, maybe they were wrong and/or optimistic. But, still, there is some price point at which it is break-even. What is it? Five dollars? Ten? The advantages o…
Where's the electricity coming from? If your answer is natural gas, or oil powered generators, then no, there isn't a price point where it will break even. Now if you can answer that question with nuclear reactors or renewables of any kind, then your logic probably applies. Yet, I doubt it will ever be the main fuel powering our transportation.
But if you could guarantee that huge energy demand for nuclear reactors, then it would (economically) justify the scale-up that would allow nuclear to power a bigger share of transportation: they could just run at high loads all the time and simply use any excess to produce liquid fuel.
Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#73I don't get it. Mandating that auto manufacturers sell a certain percentage of electric vehicles seems a bit like legislating the weather. If CA really wants to push people into electric vehicles, why not manipulate the demand for electric vehicles? Perhaps add another dollar or two to the gasoline tax?
Your comment reminds me of the ev2. Back then, the first electric vehicles were being piloted on the road, and then California tried to create some sort of mandate to force all vehicles to eventually become electric. The mandate backfired because car manufacturers were now trying persuade the state that no one wanted electric cars, eventually causing all electric cars to forcibly be taken off the roads.
Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
World GDP is about $87.25 trillion and California GDP is about $2 trillion, so California has more than 2% of world GDP. You could make the case that that's a more important metric than population.
If you look at GDP per person in the population, California is only 14th in the US ($58K per person -- Delaware at #1 is $112.K per person GDP), so they have room to more efficiently make that GDP per person than they do. Delaware does have a higher CO2 emission rate per capita, tho (nearly 50% more than California)
> Delaware at #1 is $112.K per person GDP
Is that real, or a side effect of the number of companies which are basically ghost-chartered in Delaware?
> Delaware does have a higher CO2 emission rate per capita, tho (nearly 50% more than California)
I wonder how much of that is due to increased heating necessary during winter...
Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at GDP per person in the population, California is only 14th in the US ($58K per person -- Delaware at #1 is $112.K per person GDP), so they have room to more efficiently make that GDP per person than they do. Delaware does have a higher CO2 emission rate per capita, tho (nearly 50% more than California)
> Delaware at #1 is $112.K per person GDP Is that real, or a side effect of the number of companies which are basically ghost-chartered in Delaware? > Delaware does have a higher CO2 emission rate per capita, tho (nearly 50% more than California) I wonder how much of that is due to increased heating necessary during winter...
Is some of that CO2 imaginary, traded corporation pollution-points?
Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#76Serious question: unless all the electricity for these vehicles comes from completely renewable and environmentally friendly sources, won't banning fossil fuel emissions from motor vehicles just externalize this pollution onto electric power plants? Is there data to show that the environmental impact will be somehow lessened?
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Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#77I don't get it. Mandating that auto manufacturers sell a certain percentage of electric vehicles seems a bit like legislating the weather. If CA really wants to push people into electric vehicles, why not manipulate the demand for electric vehicles? Perhaps add another dollar or two to the gasoline tax?
>Perhaps add another dollar or two to the gasoline tax?
If only, the gas tax is waaaaaaaaaay too low.
Re: California Has a Plan to End the Auto Industry as We Know It
#78I don't get it. Mandating that auto manufacturers sell a certain percentage of electric vehicles seems a bit like legislating the weather. If CA really wants to push people into electric vehicles, why not manipulate the demand for electric vehicles? Perhaps add another dollar or two to the gasoline tax?
> Perhaps add another dollar or two to the gasoline tax?
Political suicide.
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I agree, but perhaps they may realize quite soon that things might not be sustainable the way they do them. Beijing is a mess smog-wise.
They already realize that. An internal Party document said that pretty much all major Chinese cities "unlivable" (can't find a source), and Beijing's mayor said the same thing [1].
I'm guessing that part of the problem is that while there are environmental regulations, court decision are strongly influenced by ... things other than perhaps a strictly literal application of the law. This makes enforcement difficult, and I believe the environmental regulations have been widely ignored, even when told point blank a few years ago to clean themselves up.
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/28/beijing-smog-un...
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You use/lose some of the energy in transport, either way. I forget exactly, but high voltage power lines lose something like 1% of their energy every...100 miles? Another way to look at it would be: How much electricity would it take an electric truck to deliver that gasoline?
By that argument, you lose energy when gasoline evaporates during transportation. In both cases (electricity and gasoline) loss is marginal and can be mitigated by striking a balance between centralization and transport/power line distance.
I wouldn't call it marginal (it's about 7% for the eletrical grid). See https://www.nema.org/Products/Documents/TDEnergyEff.pdf