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Yes. Next argument, please.
Funny you talk about geospacial location, I'm interested in GIS and didn't find a lot of threads about it here.
PS: I upvoted your replies because I want you to share your thoughts. Keep 'em coming :)
As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…
As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…
In our leaders, cheating on one's spouse is problematic (and plays well in the media) because it is an extremely clear-cut example of being willing to violate one's most sacred vows for one's personal pleasure or convenience - not a quality that engenders much confidence in said leader's ability to honor the vows they made to serve the interests of their country and her citizens. Many of the other things you listed -…
In a lot of cases, the arrangement is tacit and implicit. They simply don't talk about it. Call it denial if you will, the same denial a heavy drinker getting home smelling alcohol doesn't trigger the "Have you been drinking?" question from their partner or family member. Now, the drinker might truly think the others don't know, or he might be aware that they know but simply choose not to address the issue. So nobody talks about it.
And then there's the explicit arrangement where the one who's "cheated on" tells the one going around that the only think that would be embarrassing would be people knowing he's cheating on her. In other words: Don't put me in the cuckold position in the eyes of society. It's not the thing that's the issue, it's the PR of the thing that is.
This is the same thing as Kevin Costner in 13 days telling the pilot not to get shot, because if he is shot, the President must do something because the people would all look at him and expect him to do something.
In other words, what the cheated on is looking for is plausible deniability. "I don't care what you do as long as I'm not in the position of people waiting for me to act". If they don't, they'll be the parter tolerating their husband/wife cheating, and they'll be shamed, ridiculed, etc.
The attacker is well aware of these dynamics when he exploits this to destabilize his opponent. He's exploiting and using the cheated on as a means to an end. Again, my point being that we give these people an audience to make the argument they present pertinent ones.
As an example, it used to be that someone who was "exposed" as gay would see his career ended. He'd be done. It is much harder today. There's still much to do because it's not all pretty and equal in the real world, but I don't hear any politician saying "Well let me tell you a secret about Mr. Smith.. He is a sodomite!" and the audience going "Oooh!".
It worked when the audience went "Oooh!". It works less well when the audience says "Meh.".
An argument is only as powerful as its pertinence to the target audience. We are the problem.
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Your example is somewhat fallacious in that sexual assault is, in fact, criminal, and running a platform that encourages and rewards it is potentially an accessory to that crime. Hacking it may in fact be more ethically (though not necessarily legally) justifiable if its demise in fact contributes to the reduction of violence against the site's users' victims. Cheating, morally reprehensible as it may be, is not in t…
Adultery is also criminal in many parts of the world, including the US.
"The United States is one of few industrialized countries to have laws criminalizing adultery"
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Yes. Next argument, please.
Well, I go on and on about where I live on multiple Hacker News threads. My handle is my real name. If I were hiding, I think I would go to greater lengths. Funny you talk about geospacial location, I'm interested in GIS and didn't find a lot of threads about it here. PS: I upvoted your replies because I want you to share your thoughts. Keep 'em coming :)
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Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…
Your example is somewhat fallacious in that sexual assault is, in fact, criminal, and running a platform that encourages and rewards it is potentially an accessory to that crime. Hacking it may in fact be more ethically (though not necessarily legally) justifiable if its demise in fact contributes to the reduction of violence against the site's users' victims. Cheating, morally reprehensible as it may be, is not in t…
http://www.theweek.co.uk/62723/adultery-laws-where-is-cheati...
> In most states, including New York, cheating on your spouse is considered only a misdemeanour. However, in others like Idaho, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oklahoma and Wisconsin, it is a felony crime. Prosecutions are rare, but they do occur and punishments can range from a $10 fine in Maryland to life imprisonment in Michigan, according to Mother Jones.
> http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/is-adultery-illegal-...
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Your example is somewhat fallacious in that sexual assault is, in fact, criminal, and running a platform that encourages and rewards it is potentially an accessory to that crime. Hacking it may in fact be more ethically (though not necessarily legally) justifiable if its demise in fact contributes to the reduction of violence against the site's users' victims. Cheating, morally reprehensible as it may be, is not in t…
Adultery is also criminal in many parts of the world, including the US.
From skimming the rest of the article, it seems adultery is otherwise only criminal in some parts of Asia and Africa. So while I suppose your statement is strictly true, it's not usefully true as a rebuttal of the parent's argument.
(I was actually shocked to find that the law is on the books of 21 US states. I know in the US we have some ridiculously stupid laws, but... c'mon. Adultery is reprehensible to me, but... criminal?)
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Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…
Cheating is legal. Publishing people's PII is not.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/62723/adultery-laws-where-is-cheati...
I agree with sibling replies - the illegality of an action is unimportant when looking at the morality of it.
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Illegal, also once you've compiled a data base of PII the laws governing personal information apply to you so you can be screwed from both ways.
So it's illegal to copy the phone book or class graduation lists?
As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…