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Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by Ocerge »

dvt wrote: post #29
pavel_lishin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Will reddit lessen their censorship efforts? I doubt it. Garbage like FPH should have been dealt with much sooner. The reason there was a backlash about that at all, imo, is because they let it drag out too long. Reddit was the friend-parent for so long that when it finally came time to enforce some discipline, it came as a shock and felt like a betrayal.

True, although it's important to note that there are still many communities that are much worse than FPH on reddit.

This is why it got so messy when they got rid of FPH. They did a MISERABLE job of defining the line on what is and is not appropriate. If you're going to censor, it better be a well-defined line.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by mnglkhn2 »

bedhead wrote: post #39

During the KP trial I had always kept an open mind towards her arguments...until I later learned she was married to Buddy Fletcher, one of the biggest scoundrels and thieves in the investment world in recent years. The character and judgment of a person who would fall in love and wed someone like that says more than I can articulate. It's oddly reassuring to see my (and many, many others') skepticism about both her j…

One of the issues during the trial was for KP to show that she had options outside the firm and that her dismissal was not detrimental to her career. The CEO of Reddit gig came in nicely to prove just that. Even if she was just an interim CEO. Now the actual CEO is in place, considering that she did not work out ok for Reddit.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by pavel_lishin »

noir_lord wrote: post #28

This entire debacle and the 'communities' (the small vocal part that acted horribly) response pretty much hammered the last nail into the coffin for me when it comes to reddit. With the exception of a few niche subreddits and the (few) incredibly moderated major subreddit's the whole place has become a negative pit with horses beaten so badly to death Findus put them in their lasagna. Twitter often feels the same way…

I think it's unfair to compare your un-curated Reddit experience - which you admit is pretty good in a few niche subs - with your highly curated Facebook feed.

It's like saying that food in New York is awful because you reached into a trashcan and found a rancid bagel, but is awesome in Chicago because you looked up the nicest restaurant and spent $500 on a meal there.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by Flammy »

davmre wrote: post #65
devindotcom wrote: post #38

Maybe I missed it, but was there ever any information on why Victoria was fired, or whether Pao actually had anything (or everything) to do with it? From where I was sitting, it seemed like no one actually learned the full story, which might be confidential or take time to contextualize/safely explain, and everyone immediately threw it on Pao's lap and downvoted any holding maneuvers she and the rest of the staff tri…

This (deleted) Quora post is the best explanation I've seen thus far: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--N83GXLMb...

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by jerf »

noir_lord wrote: post #28

This entire debacle and the 'communities' (the small vocal part that acted horribly) response pretty much hammered the last nail into the coffin for me when it comes to reddit. With the exception of a few niche subreddits and the (few) incredibly moderated major subreddit's the whole place has become a negative pit with horses beaten so badly to death Findus put them in their lasagna. Twitter often feels the same way…

"With the exception of a few niche subreddits and the (few) incredibly moderated major subreddit's"

Sometimes I don't recognize what y'all are talking about, and I almost want to defend reddit, then I remember: I've long since adjusted my reddit to be virtually nothing but niche. My largest is ~320,000, but it's just a "Deals" reddit. I've got two at 150,000, both very focused. And it goes down from there.

I'd hardly know this was going on except /r/blog is essentially forced on to your reddit front page.

It's just like Usenet was... subscribe to politics.vitriol.hate.anger and rec.sports.flame, and yeah, you're gonna get idiots. Subscribe to comp.lang.niche_language, get almost nothing but signal. Times never really change.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by seany »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #27
dvt wrote: post #20

Pretty much had to happen. To say that the Victoria situation was mishandled is a severe understatement. I wonder what will happen with communities like FPH and others (that have since moved to Voat). Will reddit lessen their censorship efforts? Time will tell. IMO, the problem at hand is that reddit is still trying to make advertisers their bread and butter. And advertisers will never be overly attracted to censorsh…

> Will reddit lessen their censorship efforts? I doubt it. Garbage like FPH should have been dealt with much sooner. The reason there was a backlash about that at all, imo, is because they let it drag out too long. Reddit was the friend-parent for so long that when it finally came time to enforce some discipline, it came as a shock and felt like a betrayal.

Meh. They should have left it alone. The sub mods tried to keep people mostly contained within itself. There are bad actors everywhere. The whole thing seemed like a guilty by association thing to me.

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Post by prawn »

istvan__ wrote: post #31

I am opening a bottle of champagne and at the same time answer my own question: it took 3 weeks for the community to get rid off a tyrant. Well done Reddit! Friendly reminder that if you are using downvotes for disagreement than you are doing it wrong.

PG has posted on HN saying that downvoting for disagreement is fine.
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