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Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by rjbwork »

iLoch wrote: post #49
bhouston wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diss Voat.co as much as you want, but so far Voat.co is actually a pretty huge success: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co

I don't think minimaxir was "dissing" voat.co, just stating facts. As for voat's success, I can't see how it can ever hope to supersede reddit - or even come close to competing with reddit - given that it is indeed a blatant clone. There's no real redeeming qualities of voat that are not already present on Reddit.

I personally am not using voat yet, but think that the fact that ModLogs are totally public and open instead of being hidden away and largely controlled by a couple of cabals of users is a huge plus.

I don't see voat as being a long term viable thing though, since it's just one kid in college and the recent surge of users was largely driven by an exodus from reddit over banning politically incorrect speech.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by mc32 »

milkworsethan wrote: post #53
koko775 wrote: post #10

No censorship as in no moderation? No thanks. No censorship as in no punishing the stalking and threatening of others? Also no thanks. I want free speech where people are free with their speech, not unrestrained speech (specifically) where people feel free to hurt others.

Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.

That's the problem with restricting speech. Who defines what is acceptable and not. You can't even say something along the lines of no hate or no harm or no threats as what those terms refer to can change over time and also by locale.

Slang in one place may refer to something rather innocuous and that same term may refer to something entirely different in a different place or dialect. Also some terms can be endearing in one place and quite crude on another.

So, unless one represents an official standard, like a company or a government, censoring content is a bit of a wild goose chase.

Now, that's not to say I want to read crude or hateful content, as I find it a turnoff, but the alternative on balance seems worse. I'd say leave it to the indiv communities and their admins to establish norms rather than a site wide policy.

When I go to reddit or another community, I want civility within the subcommunity I'm interested in, if an alternative community wants to spring up with a free for all approach, so be it.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by Karunamon »

eevee wrote: post #59
milkworsethan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.

In what language does "stalking and threatening and hurting others" translate into "people I don't like"?

The language where "stalking and threatening and hurting" equates to "saying mean things on the internet", or at times "disagreeing with".

I'm getting rather tired of seeing words like "harassment" being bandied about as shorthand for incivility.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by bhouston »

pervycreeper wrote: post #51
minimaxir wrote: post #6

Let's look at what happened to Voat. After people claimed Reddit was censoring users by banning /r/fatpeoplehate, the more unsavory users flocked to Voat, a blatant Reddit clone. As you would expect, said unsavory people posted unsavory content. Said unsavory content, while free and uncensored, was not legal , and that causes problems: http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3avyem/voat_... Said issues caused…

Not sure how that's relevant. Voat appears to have too few differentiating features to be a significant threat to reddit. Frizbee, on the other hand, appears to be something genuinely new. As far as the other claims in that post go, the administrator of 8chan has compiled a more accurate recounting of this controversy here: https://medium.com/@infinitechan/what-do-we-know-about-voat-...

That is a pretty good synopsis - thanks.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

eevee wrote: post #65
bhouston wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at this graph: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co It shot up to its current rank in almost no time. That is a lot faster growth than both reddit and HN experienced.

Of course it did; there was a big hullabaloo that led to some people migrating to it. That's not really a sign that they did anything right, or that they'll have similar momentum in the future. The same thing happened to 8chan, and then it entered a gentle but consistent decline: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/8ch.net

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Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by saryant »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #36
keedot wrote: post #16

I honestly hope one of these takes off. I don't want to ever go there, I don't take amusement in other people's suffering. But seeing so much outrage on reddit from assholes bitching that they can't be racist/bigoted/loathsome on a private forum screaming about freedom of speech which belies their own ignorance makes me long for the days of gopher. I find it repugnant, and I'm glad to live in a country where I'm free…

"I'm glad to live in a country where I'm free to say anything, but hate speech is prosecuted." I'm going to be optimistic for the future of humanity, and assume that was a (masterful) troll.

Throwaway with a blatant canard. I'm calling false flag.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by __z »

adamrezich wrote: post #66

I don't want to be That Guy, but I really don't think the UI is very intuitive. A lot of things really bug me about it. It's hard to peruse a list of posts and scan headlines, unlike on Hacker News or reddit. You compose comments with a serif font, and then the comment is posted with a sans-serif font. It appears as if all URLs are just frizbee.co/#SomethingGoesHere, regardless of what it is. This makes me lost a lot…

Its even worse than that. Navigation is just totally broken. For example I clicked your link then on that page I clicked Our Manifesto. The URL changed to https://frizbee.co/#OurManifesto5589a552786d5 but the page content did not change! This seems to happen all over.

Totally dont need to re-engineer hyperlinks. They are hyperlinks!

(logo in the left hand corner does change the url to https://frizbee.co/#HotPosts but as you and I said it just doesnt work)

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by pfranz »

__z wrote: post #56
x0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this website is another reaction to reddit, you're only going to attract the absolute dregs of that site — /r/fatpeoplehate, the pedophiles, the gamergaters, etc. If someone creates a Frizbee server full of child abuse material, and it becomes popular, and is always on the front page, what would you do? Also, I made a comment on Frizbee that consisted of `[wow](file:///etc/passwd)`, and it let me post it. You prob…

what does [wow](file:///etc/passwd) do?

"wow" will appear as a link with a URL pointing to the file on your local disk /etc/passwd. In UNIX/Linux /etc/passwd is a plaintext file used to list users accounts. In the old days it would store their password, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd#Password_file

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by bhouston »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #15
monksy wrote: post #5

Ummm no. You're late to the game. Also, you're not established. If anyone has a claim to this, it's Voat. (Despite their difficulties)

Who runs voat? How do I know it isn't run by Russian spies? or US spies?

It is run by a Swedish student, and his friends, from Sweden.
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