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Re: Spot the Ball

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post #57

If you notice the outline of the ball has different size for each photo, this allows to identify a relative distance where the ball is compared to height of players

Glad you noticed that! It's proof of the difference a great designer (in this case, Rumsey Taylor of our News Design team) can make.

As a developer it can be quite humbling to realise how many seemingly tiny yet actually really important touches exist in a project you think you know inside out.

Re: Spot the Ball

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post #64

I'm one of the people that made this interactive - funny to see it on Hacker News! If anyone has any questions about it, let me know.

I wanted to ask how long it took to make this, but that's an impossible thing to answer - so how much lead time did you (and the team) have before the first version went live?

I just checked my e-mail - it looks like we decided that we were definitely going to do it approximately two weeks before the first round went live. That's not typical but not necessarily unusual, if that's a sentence that even makes sense.

Re: Spot the Ball

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the concept behind this, and what is interesting about it?

Thanks for the question, pervycreeper! The concept is not new at all - Spot the Ball is a competition that ran in UK (and possible other) newspapers going back at least as far as the 70s. It was a cash prize competition and was pretty popular, though it's died out in recent years. I wanted to bring it back to get people to interact a little more with a highlights photo gallery - it's a lot more fun that way. IMO, it'…

Early 1960s: Grandad tried the intersecting eyelines approach, Dad did the grid of guesses approach (you got a number of guesses). Neither won much!

Re: Spot the Ball

#74
For me this quickly became "spot the photoshop artifact". I only noticed it clearly for one photo and did marginally better than average (58% -- some guesses were way off) Still very fun.

Re: Spot the Ball

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the concept behind this, and what is interesting about it?

Thanks for the question, pervycreeper! The concept is not new at all - Spot the Ball is a competition that ran in UK (and possible other) newspapers going back at least as far as the 70s. It was a cash prize competition and was pretty popular, though it's died out in recent years. I wanted to bring it back to get people to interact a little more with a highlights photo gallery - it's a lot more fun that way. IMO, it'…

One thing that people don't realise about newspaper spot the ball competitions is that the winning position was not where the ball originally was in the photo, but where the competition organisers thought it should be.

That removed any actual element of skill ("where are the players looking?") and turned it into pure guesswork.

People could buy rubber stamps of a grid of crosses so they could make very many simultaneous guesses.

Re: Spot the Ball

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to ask how long it took to make this, but that's an impossible thing to answer - so how much lead time did you (and the team) have before the first version went live?

I just checked my e-mail - it looks like we decided that we were definitely going to do it approximately two weeks before the first round went live. That's not typical but not necessarily unusual, if that's a sentence that even makes sense.

Atypical in which direction? Is that more or less time than you'd usually have?

Re: Spot the Ball

#77
post #63

Good fun! My understanding of the UK version of this was that the ball was actually placed by a group of pundits[0], rather than being in the original location, so even if you found a freeze frame of the original match you'd still not be able to cheat the system. Would be fun to crowd source a position taken from wrong guesses to provide some variance. 0: http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2015/jan/14/ho..…

I like that - a "most popular guess" vs "actual position" would be really interesting. As we seem to have at least one of the developers in this thread, maybe we can make that happen (or at least a post-mortem blog post analysing the data?)

Re: Spot the Ball

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post #9

reminds me of bestofthebest's car raffle... since you can't really gamble in the UK, they do a skill based game that is exactly this... you buy guesses and then click where you think the ball is... the person each week with the closest guess to where a group of judges says the ball is wins the car of their choice

Of course we have gambling in the UK. It's just that skill-based games are less tightly regulated than purely chance-based games. Hence those premium rate TV phone-in competitions where the player has a choice between one obvious answer and two stupid ones.

Re: Spot the Ball

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to ask how long it took to make this, but that's an impossible thing to answer - so how much lead time did you (and the team) have before the first version went live?

I just checked my e-mail - it looks like we decided that we were definitely going to do it approximately two weeks before the first round went live. That's not typical but not necessarily unusual, if that's a sentence that even makes sense.

Makes sense to me! (I would interpret it to mean 20-30% of projects have <3wk lead time, fwiw)

Re: Spot the Ball

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I'm one of the people that made this interactive - funny to see it on Hacker News! If anyone has any questions about it, let me know.

Would love to find out more about how it was made. Can you point to a small example of how to accomplish this? seems so cool!
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